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  • BM vs Masch, who jobs harder? who wins? :DankPepe
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    Big Meme. I legitimately can't remember of any Top Tier of any series being put into so much shame right now. Maschenny should be better than that, haha.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    Yeah, but my relationship with Cinera is probably ending after some of my recent postings on a certain thread, lmao.
    Flame
    Flame
    Yeah i've seen the thread. Good luck bro, i'll be praying. May the outside God be with you :mjlol
    So I think the strongest argument for Top 50!Maschenny is Asensio's words.

    Like if we take it at face value, then there's no reason to expect Maschenny to be any weaker than Hagipherione.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    Anyway, I've posted a comment in the thread you've made so you can answer there if you want.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    There are 8 13 month princesses. I think it's silly to call the 4th strongest "one of the most powerful" if she's significantly weaker than the 3rd. I mean, 4th is at the middle of the pack. It's not "one of the most powerful".

    If Hagipherione was significantly stronger than her, he'd just call her a 13 month princess.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    I think you're just looking too much into it. Being the 4th strongest currently known out of 8 could very well mean that she's among the strongest. We know for a fact that there should be a huge gap of strength between her, Adori and Enne. We know nothing of Hagipherione but thus far I don't really think she's up there with her.
    Need a new chapter of Solo Leveling now ... :bang
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    Me too. I don't know if you have read the Novel or not, but if Season 2 covers until the end then we can expect even greater moments than Season 1 IMO.
    Ren.
    Ren.
    I read it last year, I want those events and mostly the after end events!
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    Can't agree more with you. The after end events help a lot in understanding the ending fully!
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    High Rankers also appear to have some degree of ability in all positions, so I wouldn't be surprised if all those guys were actually Wave Controllers that had some degree of ability as Spear Bearers too.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    I expected the Po Bidau to be Wave Contollers as well, but the majority of elite Po Bidau we saw had spears, so I think that they function as Spear Bearers.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    I agree that they should be proficient as Wave Controllers as well.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    I don't think Gustang has a much better claim to omniscience than Zahard at all. Kallavan called Zahard an omnipotent and omniscient god (not just intellect like Gustang). Zahard's control of Fate has been much more clear cut than the other FHs as of now too. Although I wouldn't be surprised if all had some degree of control over Fate, I still think Zahard edges it.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    I was talking specifically about omniscience. Gustang:
    * Knows the most about the Tower.
    * Is rumoured to know the way out.
    * Pioneered the research of Shinsu.
    * Knows the location of the Thorn fragments.

    He seems to know (a lot) more than Zahard.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    I agree that Zahard has superior Fate hax.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    As of now, it would be wiser to wait for more feats and information IMO. We know a lot about Maschenny, but nothing on Lyborick, as well as other Squadron Commanders. It's still too soon to tell.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    Well I don't think she shitstomps him, but the gap is considerable IMO. Many things point to her being above him:
    * Commanding officer.
    * His abilities appear to be a lesser version of hers.
    * She's being reserved for last of the antagonists in the Nest.
    * She's a vastly more important character.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    This is just another discovery to support Maschenny's placement as considerably above Squadron Commanders.
    Ari Bright Sharon is actually pretty powerful. She consistently held her own against one orb Evankhell and got the jump on her many times (even blitzing her at times). Evankhell also commented on her amazing speed many times.

    Given that Baam had trouble with Gado's speed, I say Sharon washes.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    It did look to me like that she was using that lone orb to the fullest of its abilities.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    Dunno about that, she wasn't attacking with killing intent as she said when she faced Kallavan. It did look like she was fighting half-heartedly most of the time IMO.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    Eh, I'll make a thread about it.

    Evankhell stomped them at the Nest, but she was using 4 orbs then.
    Regarding the 8th Son, here's how SIU drew his Shinheuh and Maschenny:
    Current Asensio is incredibly strong, and his hype and portrayal within the Khun family are insane.

    He's at least as strong as Cha/8th Son and potentially as high as Elliot.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    I fully expect her to be top 50.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    Who knows, I think they're pretty comparable but Cha has looked more impressive to me thus far.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    I think so too. At least Yasratcha held Cha in higher regard than Kallavan held Dowon.
    I'm revising Elliot up to place him on par with Evankhell. SIU said he was strong enough to compare to Evankhell in a blog post and they fought on par.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    Since Half Release Compressed Evankhell has the hype and the feats to compete with Kalla, 100% Release Decompressed Evankhell should be a tier above.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    But also a tier below characters that break into the Top 50 most likely. That's my take on It right now.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    I can agree with Decompressed Evankhell being a tier above Kallavan.
    What do you think about the fact that Evankhell is no longer a top 100 high ranker because she lost her position as a Floor Ruler?
    Cinera
    Cinera
    This becomes notable because Evankhell's strength alone isn't enough to place her in the top 100. There are rankers whose rankings overestimate their strength (Evan Edrok), but we don't have precedent for rankings that underestimate strength.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    Rankers that have been inactive for so long it's hard to accurately gauge their strength have been labelled Blue Hole instead.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    I'll post my thoughts later on in the thread you've created.
    I think you're wrong about the Floor Rulers. The Ari family controls 10 floors in total. Hon may personally control most or all of these floors, but it doesn't seem like most floor rulers hold multiple floors.
    Your avatar is from Solo Leveling ?
    Lyren
    Lyren
    Is the webtoon good just like TOG ? I'm sceptical to wether i read it or not :hm
    BlueDemon
    BlueDemon
    It's purely a power fantasy with fangasmic art. Not something you read for the story.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    It is from Hype Leveling indeed. Like BlueDemon has said It is not a series that has an incredibly amazing plot (although It will get a lot more interesting plot-wise when Season 2 is released). The art is legendary and the fights are incredibly well done.
    If 10% Urek seems like he can oneshot Maschenny, but Zahard's Lecalicus (upper mid level attack didn't), what conclusion do you draw?
    Cinera
    Cinera
    At least one of these is true:
    1. Urek's attack power is much greater than Zahard's attack power.
    2. 10% Urek can't oneshot Maschenny.
    Cinera
    Cinera
    The above two seem the only plausible options:

    Lecalicus first form has portrayal above Rampage (Lethal Move), Golden Needle, Golden Bomb.

    Coelacanth and Leviathan are stronger, but they are the only ones confirmed to be stronger.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    Honestly, I can't draw any conclusion. I think the gap between Mas and Zahard widened, so I can't say for sure if she would be able to tank techniques like these anymore. My guess is that the gap just widened (there's enough reason to believe it IMO) and that Mas would probably get overwhelmed by either Zahard or Urek using 10% of their power. But we'll have to wait and see.
    Maschenny is closer to Jahad than to a Branch Leader like Asensio. The portrayal is undeniable.
    It's nice to see another ToG fan around.
    Shadowlord123
    Shadowlord123
    Thanks, I've been wandering here looking at the comments for a while and I thought the topics discussed were really interesting, so I've finally decided to join.
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