Yes, I am the thread starter, and you read the title of the thread right. Keep in mind that these are only my opinions, and as such, cannot be incorrect Both manga/anime started out in relatively the same ways. They started out slow with background info and some minor battles to keep everyone interested. Then, things started to pick up. For Bleach, it was the Soul Society arc, and the Chunnin Exam arc for Naruto. Those two sections of both respected manga helped establish their popularity by having fairly good plots and enough mystery surrounding them that it keep readers/watchers glued to their screen, but things slowly went downhill from there..... Both manga then had small battle arcs(Rescue Sasuke Arc/Everybody Fight Arrancar Arc) that weren't complete fail in themselves, but had little plot beyond just an excuse to get the characters to fight. Both arcs had elements that made little sense as well, like Tsunade sending Genin to do a Chuunin/Jounin's job, and Aizen sending Arracar to Earth more times than was necessary, just because. This is the start of the fail, and the only thing keeping both manga afloat were the high quality fights. Then, Naruto had another arc that wasn't so much fail, the Rescue Gaara arc. It didn't spend as much time building up Itachi, and let Kisame get his time to shine as well. It also was the only arc that featured any real character development, showing Gaara's despair and loneliness, then eventual acceptance by his fellow Suna nin. This arc made Gaara my second favorite character, after Jiraiya. Sadly, Bleach doesn't have an arc that held off the fail like Naruto did. Then, things fell apart for both Naruto and Bleach. The entire Orochimaru's lair arc failed miserably. Far too many chapters were filled of dialogue bubbles with mere ".....", which is not how you tell a good story. Then the "Asuma Goes Out Like A Punk Bitch" arc sealed Naruto's fate as a manga of fail. Kubo failed as soon as the Everybody Fight Arracar arc ended, when he introduced the Rescue Orihime arc, which is so similar to the Soul Society arc, that it has made me give up on Bleach almost totally. Ergo Proxy helped this change of heart as well......... Don't get it twisted, the only real similarities between the parallels of the Rescue Sasuke/Rescue Gaara arcs were basically in the names of the two. This is the exact opposite to the Soul Society/Rescue Orihime arcs, where the names are dissimilar, yet the overall plots(impossible odds, small number of protagonists, damsel in distress, random help popping out of nowhere) are almost exactly the same, only in a different setting. *shakes head* I will now no longer read another chapter of Bleach. Hopefully, word-of-mouth that I read/hear will bring news of Bleach starting to win once more, but things are looking grimm.........>> *edit* Flame shield +4 on.