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10 Characters Stronger Than Hashirama

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  1. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Hashirama is overrated.. I can name 10 characters stronger than him, not even Ootsutsukis or 10 Tails jinchurikis
    Naruto
    Sasuke
    Revived Madara (1 Rinnegan)
    DMS Obito
    DMS Kakashi
    Nagato
    8th Gate Gai
    Edo Minato
    Edo Itachi
    Sage Kabuto
     
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    No to Itachi, Gai, Nagato, and lol Hiruzen.

    Minato, Obito, and Kakashi probably can't cut it either.

    Hashi definitely isn't overrated. The guy can take on 100% Kyuubi and EMS Madara on his own. He was able to fight Rinnegan Madara for a while as well as Jubito.

    No, he deserves all the hype he gets as the second strongest hokage ever.
     
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    You think Hashirama wouldn't get rekt by 8th Gate Gai?? And didn't Iruka say Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage? Also can't Nagato negate anything Hashirama throws at him?

    I'm not saying Hashirama is weak whatsoever, i'm just saying he gets overhyped sometimes.. They act like nobody other than Ootsutsukis or 10 Tail jinchurikis stand a chance against him
     
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    Yes, Iruka's word must be held as a fact, as he is a fodder who never saw any kage in his whole life, but Hiruzen whose fanboy he is.

    You saw what Hiruzen is capable when he was an Edo. That's it. Maybe more stamina. But nothing else.
     
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    Nagato is a frail version of Madara with Rinnegan who Hashi was able to ho toe to toe against. His best jutsu was no sold by 8 tails Naruto. Again, Hashi has fought against 100% Kyuubi along with EMS Mads in the past. So no, Nagato is far beneath Nagato.

    Hiruzen Prime is a myth that doesn't existm as already stated, every Edo was given the opportunity to show everything they're worth potential-wise thanks to unlimited chakra/stamina/regeneration and yet Hiruzen barely performed better than his part 1 self. He's a joke in comparison.

    Gai would never get the chance to use 8 Gates before hes killed. But even then it's possible that Hashi's regeneration would save him. Then Gai dies from exhaustion. I'd say out of those pointed out he has the best chance though assuming he gets to that state.

    People above Hashi:
    Otsutsuki clan
    Naruto
    Sasuke
    Jubito
    Madara(Edo, jinchuuriki)
    Juubi

    Very short list. Anyone else would get bodied.
     
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    DMS Obito & Edo Minato said hi
     
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    Minato is faster, but lacks the power needed to be a threat.

    Again, Hashi has the speed to face Obito when he was at his strongest(as Jubito). He'd have no problem with MS Obito who at best could stalemate by staying intangible.
     
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    DMS Obito and Kakashi are god tier but even though they can avoid most of hashi's wood, we have to consider that hashi can outlast them individually except these are all hypothetical versions
    @bolded
    There is no way these characters can beat hashirama
     
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    Actually, Iruka didn't use his own knowledge to say Hiruzen used to be the strongest. He said, "It is said he used to be the strongest Hokage." He is referencing other people saying Hiruzen was the strongest.

    Regardless, Hiruzen is still most likely weaker than Hashirama. The thought of him being stronger than a Senju who is also the reincarnation of Ashura Ootsutsuki is far-fetched. And, as we know, many things in Part 1 have been retconned.

    8th Gate Guy would defeat Hashirama, only to then get die of the 8th Gate.

    Hashirama never faced TTJ Obito. And DMS Obito is far stronger than MS Obito.
     
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    Hashi along with the other Edo Hokage faced him. What're you talking about?

    And obviously DMS Obito would be stronger than single MS, but both are below Jubito like I said. Hashi, though below Jubito, still was able to face him. He was able to react to him. Meaning he can tag any less version of Obito to beat him.
     
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    No, Hashirama never faced TTJ Obito. The only time that he "faced" him was Gracious Deity Gates, which he used on a Premature TTJ Obito who was still able to destroy the attack with no effort.

    After that, Hashirama was delayed by Madara. Hashirama sent off a Wood Clone to deal with TTJ Obito, only for the Wood Clone to get blitzed instantly and destroyed in a matter of seconds.

    DMS Obito is a different breed. He may not be stronger than TTJ Obito, but he is certainly very haxed out. He's got a PS which is enhanced by Kamui. And even if his PS is broken, he's still got his Kamui to deal with, which is a nightmare. To top it off, Hashirama doesn't even have any knowledge on Kamui. What stops Obito from trying to snipe Hashirama with a long distance Kamui at the beginning of the battle?
     
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    Hashi has been fighting Uchiha all his life. Why wouldn't he know to be wary when he notices one activating a MS?

    He's also faster than Obito. Whether it be incomplete Jubito or not, his reactions to it still puts him above regular Obito.

    That plus the fact that he could always sense the chakra build up in his eye means that he'll be able to dodge any Kamui snipes.

    Not saying DMS Obito isn't strong, he just isn't as strong as Hashi.
     
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    Madara & Izuna are the first to unlock MS
     
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    I read that wrong I thought you were saying Hashirama has been fighting against the MS his whole life
     
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    Certain
    Nagato- Preta
    Healthy Oro- ET
    DSM Kabuto- Flute genjutsu

    Probable
    Tobito- Kamui
    SANDaime- Iron vs Wood

    Possible
    Bee- PJ
    Yagura- PJ

    Unlikely
    Ay(3)- Lightning vs Wood
    Gengetsu- Joki Buoy
    Minato- FTG
    Kakuzu- Domu
    Kisamehada- Samehada
    Deidara- Explosion Release

    Only Nagato as outright stronger I consider
    Oro and Kabuto as comparable I see
    The rest are just good matchups, for 1-v-1 fights
     
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    Please explain how in the world can nagato defeat hashirama, because there is no way he can legit beat him
     
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    Obviously he would be wary when he sees Obito activating the MS. I never made a point he that he wouldn't be wary.

    How is Hashirama faster than Obito? A Kamui portal is far faster than what Hashirama has shown to react to.

    He can sense the Chakra build up in Obito's eyes, but he has no knowledge of how Kamui works or how to evade it. Actually, he might not even be able to evade it as nobody has ever blitzed their way out of a Kamui portal. Only Minato, who possesses literal teleportation, was able to get out of a Kamui portal. And note that this Kamui portal was being made by a 14 year old Obito who was still inexperienced with Kamui.
     
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    Hashi is faster than regular Obito thanks to the simple fact that he's able to fight on par with people above regular Obito like Edo Madara and react to people like Jubito. Again, Jubito being stable or not wouldn't matter since it's still above his regular self.

    In a non-CIS battle, Hashi would take every opportunity to kill Obito given his knowledge of Uchiha in general. He'd know not to dick around. With his reaction speed, if Obito tried to warp him with his normal Kamui, Hashi would be able to counter in time since that requires him to be solid.

    And Madara was able to react to Kakashi using Kamui. I see no reason why Hashi wouldn't when he'd sense the chakra build up. He may not know about Kamui specifically, but that's where his knowledge and experience with Uchiha comes in(specifically Mads). He senses the build up, he moves thanks to far superior speed.

    No one else has done this because no one who its been used on his on Hashi's level of speed. Minato was able to because he's even faster than Hashi.

    Think of it like trying to dodge Amaterasu which doesn't travel but rather burns at the focal point of the user. It's usually impossible, but Ei proved that with enough reaction speed one can accomplish the task.
     
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    He fought Edo Madara by using his Mokuton constructs. He didn't, say, fight equally in speed with him in Taijutsu or something along those lines.

    And again, he never reacted to Juubito.

    Actually, even though Juubito being unstable would still be above his regular self, he is completely mindless and wouldn't know what to do in a battle. Because of battle sense, DMS Obito would do better than Juubito in a situation like that. For example, mindless Juubito blitzed Tobirama and Hashirama's Wood Clone, but he stood still after that and just watched himself get exploded by Paper Bombs. Would that mean that mindless Juubito is unable to react to Tobirama's paper bombs, or he just didn't because he's mindless?

    In a non CIS battle, Obito wouldn't ever use his right eye's Kamui for offense. He'd use it for defense while using his left eye, which is far more versatile for offense, for offense. And as displayed by Sasuke, an MS user can use both of their MS abilities so close in conjunction that they are being used in practically the same time. That being said, Obito could just open up a Kamui portal with his left eye while becoming intangible straight after that with his right eye, so he is practically nigh invincible, at least against non-Rikudou characters.

    When did Madara ever react to Kakashi's Kamui?

    Nope, Minato was able to do so because of the fact that he can use teleportation. As the databook explains, a barrier space surrounds the target. The target can struggle, but no defense is possible against Kamui. No matter what, the space will distort and draw the target in. How will Hashirama be able to blitz his way out if the Kamui portal is drawing him in?

    Amaterasu doesn't pull the target towards it.
     
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    SM sensori ability
    He defeated prime Kurama with Madara PS and has captured all the bijuu
    He could protect himself from a BB from prime Kurama
    He can absorb chakra, and I doubt Kakasu can survive a 1000 giant budda hand
     
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    I’d say Naruto, Sasuke, and Madara would win.

    I doubt Hashirama will just stand there and let himself get hit by the Night Guy, so Might Guy is off.

    DMS Obito has shown nothing new other than a stronger Kamui.

    DMS Kakashi, hmm, I’d say he’d stand some chance against Hashirama, but I wouldn’t say he’d win.

    Nagato, Minato, Itachi, and Hiruzen, are all strong and all, but I doubt they’d survive against a 1,000 armed budda thing.
     
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    Wood Release meets Preta absorption
    SM meets Preta absorption

    Asura armour protect from damage
    Tendo finishes him off once Preta has drained all his strength

    Its more like Hashi (and Madara) has no way of beating Nagato. I'm talking about the living, not Edo versions
     
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    Nagato wants to absorb a jutsu that can absorb chakra?
    Nagato cannot absorb SM, SM is literally nature energy and we saw how he turned out when he tried absorbing SM naruto's chakra
    Protects him from shinjusenju? A giant buddha that grabbed kurama with one hand? A buddha that has One Thousand Hands?:dafuq
    Can you explain how tendo pain finishes him of, because his most effective jutsu is chibaku tensei and shinjusenju is enough to destroy it
     
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    Doesn't defend against genjutsu

    This is sound bases, so he'd have to block all sound to get past it, and he can't


    Mad Kurama, not prime

    Prime would be Kurama using all his powers w/o any bindings, such as madness.

    Now add in that:
    - Yagura has the water mirror (and necessary chakra) to counter every single technique that Hashi throws at him
    - Bee has his Bijuu Laser to hit from range

    And they both have ways around him, while he has Nome against them. Wood Release is dodged w/o plot restrictions


    Mad Kurama

    Also, tho they both explode, they're different types of attacks in that Joki Buoy can chase down Hashi while a BB is just thrown at him. Then there's the issue of Hashi not having a way to definitely stop JB and he's in trouble

    You could argue that he'd just find Gengetsu himself tho.


    1- Ahh, forgot about that
    Yeah, chakra suppression (not absorption, technically) would work

    2- No, he's as hard as diamond
    The best you could argue is that the Thousand Hands can toss him about. But it doesn't matter if you dropped him from the moon, diamond is so hard that he'd suffer no damage at all

    I still think Kakuzu stands a chance, but you're right about chakra suppression vs Domu
     
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    No, he's absorping a chakra construct that can suppress, not absorb, chakra

    Also, we haven't been told that Preta uses chakra to absorb chakra, so we can't draw on that. And even if he did, his chakra absorption far outweighs chakra suppression


    1- Technically False
    While I get what you're saying, I just feel the need to point this out
    He can absorb any type of energy. The problem is that NE needs to be balanced out with one's own chakra. When this is not done and NE outweighs one's own chakra, then one turns to stone
    Preta Path, by description, absorbs into an endless void, this means he doesn't have to worry about balancing out anything.

    What happened on panel was the result of Preta trying to absorb the sags chakra into himself. He won't do that here


    I was thinking of CQC based damage, as SS is already dealt with by Preta Path, never mind the flight+cannons from Deva and Ashura getting right around it


    Thepremise behind 'finishing move' is that sufficient damage has been dealt beforehand to insure no resistance.

    In which case, as I said, Preta will have taken all chakra from him, leaving him with CQC only. Thus CT will work well.


    There's also Human Path with Soul Rending Touch, Hell Path with King of Hell (weak, I know) and one more technique that Hashirama absolutely cannot defeat (search: 'Nagato is the true Solo King')
     
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    Pretra path is a jutsu, jutsu uses chakra, and am wondering what made you think pretra path absorption far outweighs chakra suppression when hashirama wood was able to suppress kurama who has far more chakra than nagato.
    You said nagato can absorb SM, not senjutsu enhanced jutsu, which i replied that he can't. And i doubt if nagato can absorb hashirama's wood cause when madara fought hashirama when they were edo tensei, why didn't madara absorb hashi's wood when he has the rinnegan? So by taking account of these am inclined to believe he can't absorb hashirama's wood
    Read my post above
    You think asura path canons or missiles will affect SS? Some thing that can tank bijuu bomb? So tendo pain can dodge 1000 hands of a giant?
    And you didn't take into account hashirama's Sage Art: Gate of the Great God, something that K'Od madara who also possesses the rinnegan? But you assume human path will KO hashirama?
     
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    1- Jutsu is just a word that means technique
    In other words, Hidden Lotus is a jutsu, and that doesn't use chakra either

    2- By mechanics
    Wood Release has to touch you while Preta Path has that All Purpose Shield that allows it to absorb from a distance (not very far, but contact isn't allowed, at least). There's no way past this fact

    3- By effect
    For the same reason Amaterasu from Sick Itachi will always beat Great Super Duper Ultra Great Fireball Super XXXX from Madara.
    One is just elemental ninjutsu while the other is a dojutsu effect based ability. Unless the dojutsu based ability is given !mechanics which ninjutsu can beat, dojutsu wins in a direct clash. Now we know Wood Release is elemental ninjutsu, which Preta absorbs, but we don't have confirmation that Preta absorption uses chakra so we can't say that Wood Release would suppress it.

    4- Suppress vs absorb
    When I suppress cheese between my hands, its still there
    When I absorb said cheese into my body, it's no longer there
    So when Preta, which absorbs, meets Wood, which suppresses, which wins?

    5- Kurama?
    Nagato took out over 6 tails worth of chakra in a split second from Bee
    How long do you think Wood Release took to suppress Kurama?
    So yeah, there is no scale battle for you to win here


    1- 'SM meets Preta'
    Is my precise statement, why does it matter?
    Anyway, SM is achieved by balancing out NE with your own chakra. Preta has shown to absorb said NE before, so it can indeed absorb SM

    2- Madara . . .
    Where do I begin
    @Hussain
    @Hi no Ishi
    @WorldsStrongest
    @Bonly
    If you'll would be so kind as to explain how one deals with Madara (plot device, a*sepulls, inconsistencies etc)


    1- No, heavens no
    I was thinking of cannons being used as jetpacks to speed up his flight and get him right around SS

    2- Dodging
    Simple flight, as could ST deal with it
    This is Nagato, who is capable of greater outputs than what his paths showed on panel.
    There's also the Chymera which would both fly him around as well as turn him invisible

    Any point you made based on Edo Madara is simply explained in this word: Asspulldara
     
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