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[100% Proved] Neji is the embodiment of failure/never will be elite

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by dregoth, Jun 1, 2007.

  1. dregoth Cooking Genius

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    Mind you all, that elite is a concept on how other people perceive ones capabilities that stand out among the regular shinobi.

    Even elite may have their bad, un-elite moments, though there's always a legitimate excuse and most importantly there are almost no witnesses:

    -Oro being carried by the sound 4 after Sandaime fight: Un-elite behaviour totally mitigated -if not countered by the fact the he survived a jutsu capable of sealing Kyuubi. The anbu were too scared that he survived that they forgot to report that he left the battlefield being carried.

    -Itachi running from Jiraiya: Un-elite behavior totally mitigated by the fact the he already has used a jutsu that takes the most of his chakra and the elite behavior of turning his back to Jiraiya (once Sasuke arrived he just ignored him), plus he escaped the inescapable jutsu.

    -Sasuke getting beat by Gaara: His un-elite situation doesn't even exist in the eyes of the people. The beating he gave Gaara on the battlefield led people to believe that he was the one to stop him: Sakura (who was there!) even thought that Sasuke was the one to save her. She represents these people's thoughts.

    Now let's start with Neji analysis. He screwed up so many times that there's no turning back.

    1)Fight vs an opponent far bellow his level

    Neji had a pitiful performance in comparison to an elite shinobi. Sure he beat the weakling (and younger than him) hinata but it took a lot of time to defeat her, a dropout, this is sooo un-elite. The situation obviously is aggravated by the fact that everyone was watching.

    Example of elite Shinobi fighting weaker ones:

    Oro: Make another (semi-)elite shit his pants with just a stare.

    Yondaime: Mercilessly and instantly eliminates several rock nins.

    Itachi: In a blink disabled Oro's jutsus and cut off his hands.

    To sum up: When an elite shinobi fight a weaker on they don't really fight, they OWN.

    What people think: Neji was above hinata's level due to the fact that he had one full year of training/missions ahead her and considering that Shinobi grow exponentially after leaving the academy, they see him as nothing special. He wasn't even in the spotlight anymore in the finals.

    2)Loosing to a drop out.

    From this day any tiny hope about his future growth was killed.

    Elite do not lose to drop out Shinobi. At least not in the presence of eye witnesses.

    What people think: The crowd is led to many conclusions. The first inequality they consider is:

    Worst rookie shinobi (Naruto) > Previous year best Shinobi

    So they conclude that any average shinobi would stand out in such a class of loosers. In fact they should be, none made even to the pre-lims.

    Next thing they ponder about the infamous Byakugan. Neji made the whole clan look bad in the eyes of people. If they had any doubt about who was stronger between Hyuuga/Uchiha they had a double answer in that arena.

    3)Fighting a stronger opponent

    For the regular shinobi there's no shame in loosing to someone stronger, but as far as eliteness is concerned this is not admissible, this is the kind of situation where the elite show why they've such reputation, overcoming any difficulties and walk victorious.

    Neji won against Kidomarou but technically lost. Why you ask? People saw the white eyed freak beat again, in a near death condition. There was no one watching his fight and the only possible conclusion they can draw is:

    Hyuuga = Weak clan // That boy probably lost to a weakling such as that drop out.

    How elite handle this?

    Simple they get stronger and they walk victorious. (Sasuke vs Kyuubi, Oro vs Sandaime/Death God, Oro vs 2 Sannin, etc)

    Conclusion: The general advertising is: Neji is the embodiment of failure.
     
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    once neji get the golden byakugam u gonna be sorry.
     
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    What the hell is with all these fail threads lately?
     
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    Hinabi will get the GB, not Neji.
     
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    Naruto obviously had a big advantage in having the kyuubi (which he can't use anymore), Naruto CLEARLY was the strongest genin at that time by far (see Naruto owns Gaara).

    Is Jounin
    Has golden byakugan
    = win

    Thread fails

    Naruto or Neji for hokage 2008
     
  6. Random Nobody Alien Fighting

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    You forgot the part where Itachi's clone got its ass handed to it by just two ninja well Kisame's clone took on all of Team Gai and held them off for longer then Itachi held Team Kakashi off for.

    Who cares what the people think, we all know what happened. Gaara made Sasuke his bitch.
     
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    This is why Neji is the only Jounin out of the Rookie 9 + Team Gai? You know why? Because Neji is teh str0ngest.
     
  8. Magi of all Member

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    I read through that entire thing twice and never found a single bit of this proof that you claim to have. If you could kindly go retrieve some for us I think this thread would benifit greatly.

    In the mean time I'll sit here and laugh at you grammer
     
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    Your so out of the loop. :wink
     
  10. dregoth Cooking Genius

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    No. You fail. I'm not arguing who was the stronger, rather about who in people's minds is the stronger.

    You are the reader, you're in theory omniscient about every fact, the people in that stadium are not.

    OH SHIT I'm trying to explain things to a GB fan.

    A clone is a clone. Even Chiyo-baa - equivalent to a Sannin of the Sand - acknowledged his strenght.

    It was never stated that Kisame's clone held them for a longer time, and if he did there's no merit in holding a bunch of non-elite.

    You haven't been paying attention to the series.

    People's opinion are play a major role in the story since chapter one. That's why Naruto was hated and that's why he grew stronger.

    HE CARES ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK AND WANT TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
     
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  11. dregoth Cooking Genius

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    Lol you can't understand the simple concept of showing the good stuff for the masses and hiding the bad ones?

    You fail and so does your GRAMMER. ROTFL.
     
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    Why is this thread still alive... i thought i killed it.:huh
     
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    It was still an exact clone of Itachi that could potentially have all of his powers. The fact that it had less chakra is just an excuse and elites don't make excuses.

    Which might be true if what people thought of Naruto actually had any relevance to the series anymore. Lately its been all about saving Sasuke and to hell with what people think.
     
  14. Fang Titan

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    Neji is a Jounin. Neji's ability of insight with the Byakugan surpasses the Sharingan's foresight and even Kakashi (in pre-timekip) acknowledged that Neji was far above Sasuke's level and that the Byakugan in general was superior to the Sharingan.

    Neji's taijutsu certainly trumps everyone's excluding Lee's (as his rival) in his generation ie Rookie 9 + Team Gai and the Sand Siblings. Your certainly a fool if you think someone is weak when they lose to a ninja in a fight where they un-naturally, due to a plot hole to advance the fight, turns of their Kekke Genkai at the end.

    Your points fail. And Neji was playing with Hinata and he was enjoying it. He was rather apathetic and sadistic as even a Gennin.
     
  15. Shinkirou Lord of the Eclipse

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    You fail to realize that Neji is a member of the lesser branch family, his blood is too impure and full of fail to manifest the golden byakugam. Hinata and Hanabi however....
     
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    It's true that from the Hyuuga clan, it is Hanabi, not Neji, who is the embodiment of elite. Hanabi beats the shit out of a girl five years her senior who also happened to graduate higher in her class than Naruto, who wiped the floor with Neji. Now, the transitive law may not hold for victories (because you run into factors like stylistic advantages + luck + conditions on that day), but the point is that Hanabi is a prodigy of epic porportions.
     
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    damn straight
     
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    Hinata is considered worthless in Hiashi's eyes, and Hanabi was told that she would never live up to Neji's talent. Your point?

    The same Hanabi when brought along with Hiashi during Neji's fight in the Third Chuunin Exam with Naruto told her that he was the greatest prodigy and genius ever produced in the Hyuuga Clan. This was with full knowledge of Hinata getting beaten down by Hanabi herself.

    gg. Neji wins. Hiashi and Hizashi's statements > Yours.

    :GB
     
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    Agreed, that's why he can see the tenketsu and his talent surpasses Hiashi. Asshat

    furthermore, Hinata/Hanabi's and Neji's fathers were TWINS!
     
  20. Magi of all Member

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    Yes, yes I am.

    That?s what happens when you only visit a forum once every few months. You tend to miss things.

    Fortunately the fact that I don?t care balances it out.
     
  21. Shinkirou Lord of the Eclipse

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    That has nothing to do with purity of blood, which makes your entire post moot.

    As for you, who ever said he's surpassed Hiashi? Noone, thats who, and so you know, asshat is one of the lamest insults possible. By using it, you shame yourself more than you could ever shame me.
     
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    A selfish explanation for bashing on a character. Excellent reasoning.[/sarcasm]
     
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    lock this thread twf is owning all of you naysayers
     
  24. Shinkirou Lord of the Eclipse

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    Not really... :huh
     
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    Their father's are identical twins. Pray tell how does that make him impure? I love how you bring this up since Neji was stated by the "pure blood" Clan Head to be the greatest genius of the Hyuuga.



    First, I never said Neji surpassed Hiashi. But the latter made the indication that Neji was already well on his way, and by timeskip that's rather indicative of this. He is the only Hyuuga that is shown using Trigram Vacuum Palm.

    He is the only Branch Member of the Hyuuga Clan that has learned on his own (which is forbidden to Branch Members) to use Kaiten and Hakkeshou: Rokujuu Yonshou. So basically, he learned the most forbidden and dangerous techniques of the Hyuuga Clan without any Head Family help and is stated to be the greatest prodigy and genius ever produced from the Hyuuga Clan.

    Man you showed me. :(

    And I never called you an asshat...
     
  26. Magi of all Member

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    Wait, who did I bash? (goes back and re-reads thread)

    Apologies are in order

    When I posted my reply my browser had failed to load anything past random Nobody?s first post. I was only referring to dregoth?s post, nothing else.

    Post seems really assholish when read after that? or before that actually. Ah well, live and learn
     
  27. Shinkirou Lord of the Eclipse

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    Just because he's been the only one shown to use it doesn't mean he's the only one that can, and his father being Hiashis brother doesn't matter when you consider his mothers a whore!!!! :amazed

    As for the asshat thing, I wasn't talking to you.

    Once again, because of his impure blood, any talent that he may or may not have had is moot.
     
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    As i said, their father was twins... which makes your point void.

    And i said he surpasses hisashi in terms of talent which he clearly does, Hisashi said "what incredible talent, To think that a branch family member who cannot succed the clan has inherited the Hyuuga bloodline so strongly".

    If it didn't surpass him he wouldn't have used that wording.

    You are the epitome of shame, are you not ashamed?
     
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    All of this arguing about the Hyuuga has reminded me that I want to see more of Hanabi.
     
  30. Shinkirou Lord of the Eclipse

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    Purity of blood depends on more than just the father.... and as I've explained in my last post, any talent he may or may not have had is moot. And seeing as how the shame befalls you and not I, no I'm not ashamed for you are the one who has brought shame upon your household.
     
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