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17 coming back is the worst writing ever.

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball Telegrams' started by XImpossibruX, Mar 18, 2018.

  1. XImpossibruX

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    I love the guy and I love how he was written this arc. He's perhaps one of the best things about the ToP. In a tournament of survival, he was pragmatic, smart, cool-headed and helped out his team through the entire thing. His bond with his sister, and his battles with his comrades highlighted how great of a character he is. He won my respect and many others throughout the arc.

    But him having a heart warming speech about what it means to be human, sacrificing himself to stop Jiren's blast, than episodes later be all like "IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO" is just garbage writing.

    :kanyeshrug

    Seriously that was a terrible twist. It spits in the face of his sacrifice, its incredibly contrived, and makes no sense how he got "lucky" and survived.

    :scust
     
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  2. watertaco

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    People still expect good writing from this show? :facepalm:gokuskully:gokuskully
     
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    This episode was hype af but the narrative choices were retarded as hell

    Oh yeah 17 magically survived
    Goku powers up cause krillin believes in him
    Lets make jiren attack goku's friends so that the kids can hate him and when u11 gets erased we have no issue

    FOH Toei
     
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    I do agree that it completely cheapens and renders his sacrifice null.

    But in all honesty, his unsuccessful suicidal attempt is just a plot device so a now wasted Goku can have all the man power he can get in order to be able to somehow hold off Jiren until time runs out.

    But actually, 17 just really wanted that boat. So much that he cheated death.
     
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    super has horrendous writing even when they have good ideas but i disagree this time

    he has no detectable powerlevel and he knew he could die trying it but he also knew he might not die so in essence he was bluffing to make everyone think he died..same as freeza has done repeatedly in this tourny

    super has made him one of my favorite characters now and i didnt expect that at all
     
  7. XImpossibruX

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    I never expected good writing, I'm just commenting on how it's bad writing.

    Please leave the strawmen to the crows :ufdup
     
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    at least

    the Hitto Bunshin was the one who put 17 into the BOAT and saved him



    :tupac :tupac
     
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  9. XImpossibruX

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    We all know who's going to eliminate Jiren next episode.

    Hitto comeback baby :bury
     
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    Had his "death" been handled better I would agree but as it stands, its pretty inconsequential 17 coming back.
     
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    I'll post what I said in another thread.
    My main issue is his disappearance more then him surviving.

     
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    17 didn't self destruct guys, 17 did the same kind of explosion vegeta did. Remember, he doesn't have a bomb inside him anymore.
     
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    If you went into this episode and show really, expecting some superb quality of writing , then you're in the wrong anime :drake



    I'm in it just for the special effects and animation and fights, that was slam bang amazing.
     
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    The story of Super. Toei almost get it right then fluff their lines at the last second
     
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    Jiren will correct this next episode. Only this time it will be both 17 and Frieza dead.
     
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    But that's not what Z and OG DB did best. You can't say the story was badly written in Z. It was simple yes, but it made sense most of the time.
    That's why the fights were cool, because the show made sure we feel the story and implications. Cool fights only weren't why Z was good, you can only do so much with flashy fights only. Z isn't perfect any mean but it rarely insults our intelligence.
     
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    Neither does super. Super makes as much sense as the late buu arc, Idk why people are calling it such bad writing compared to Z.
     
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    Rushed =/= Badly written
     
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    The manga might be better, it'll be less rushed and make much more sense
     
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    :ohlord
     
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    I am so tired of these excuses.

    There are anime that have good writing AND good animation.

    You don't have to sacrifice one for the other.
    :derpko:derpko:derpko

    Thank you!

    No one is asking for Shakespeare level writing or anything. Just a story that's coherent like Z was, and Super can't even manage that.
     
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    Back then all the story was written by Toriyama, in the Super anime now you have different writers for different episodes and Toyotaro going his own way with what makes sense in his mind for the manga. Too many cooks in the kitchen but even so Super from arc to arc is written just as good as Z, the problems come from the things Toriyama has no control of. Then you have times where the anime team actually had some great ideas like transforming ribrianne, Justice toppo and cretaing Kale (which resulted in Toriyama creating caulifla) just to name a few.

    I would suggest to stop complaining and enjoy dragonball, it is a treasure no matter how you get it. I for one am thankful Toriyama is so re energized and invested into the series again and I'm excited for the future of either super or another anime after the movie in December.

    here's hoping Masako chan gets her 700 episodes:beer
     
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    If only I wasn't trapped in an abusive relationship with super. I like him but he doesn't give two shits about me. :wellshit
     
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    Grand priest said you have to "assume" 17 self D'd himself. Not that he actually did.

    The fandom is the one who duped itself.
     
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    :drake

    So if Krillin said he is the strongest at the start of the ToP then beat Jiren 1v1 you'd approve of it because it was already said he is the strongest and it was the viewers fault for not believing his statement?
     
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    You know the reason why I enjoy super a lot is beacuse the alternative anime I could see is even worse
     
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    You can only blame the readers for not paying attention to the storytellers.
     
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    They pulled him out of their hairy ass
     
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    He would’ve been wished back if he did die so it doesn’t really matter honestly.
     
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    Jiren gets to beat him up again so it is all good.

    :mahbama
     
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