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[285] A change approaching from somewhere yet beyond the horizon

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by AEmer, Nov 24, 2005.

  1. AEmer Member

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    Is it just me, or is all this 'root', 'competing to be the hokage', elders bitching, 'sandaime was a an inflexible hardass', 'village losing control over Naruto', Dozou hating Tsunade, Naruto having a 'gift' for changing people getting emphasized all over the place, rogue anbu members moving about Konoha in secrecy being afraid of even cats...

    And...Now Naruto is on a trek to somewhere far off with only one reliable character, Sakura, and two characters we hardly know anything about...one of whom wears the faceplate of the character who Dozou supposedly hated, the forefather of Tsunade, whom he supposedly hates...and he initiates a plan to secure the future protection of Konoha...
    Something big is brewing, if you ask me. Definately something big.

    I don't think Naruto will be returning in a normal manner, and if he does, I think he'll be forced to flee, as a missing ninja. I think Konoha will somehow turn against Naruto in some kind of huge plot twist.
    I'm not quite sure how this'll all happen but...Right now feels a lot like the silence before the storm.
     
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  2. The_Leader Nope, not here!

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    And the stakes rise.

    This is a pretty crazy mission to be sending anyone on.

    They've got to kidnap a unwilling spy of Akatsuki, evade all of the Akatsuki members there to kill Orochimaru, and any Sound backup that Oro might have, and transport the prisoner all the way back to Konoha, in a three day journey.

    And the Fox demon container goes on it?

    Yikes, the stakes are high. In and out of the village.
     
  3. Leen Peacemaker

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    The higher the stake, the more interesting the story will be.

    Besides, ninjas are suppose to risk their life all the time.
     
  4. Woozie Active Member

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    The series has really been lacking suprises lately, so such a huge twist to the plot would definetly be great
     
  5. ycavan Member

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    I think Naruto will be forced to follow the path laid out by Ero-Sennin... OBVIOUSLY, Ero-Sennin was the sane one to leave all the politics behind and just hunt down Akatsuki & Orochimaru by himself. :)
     
  6. blazingshadow True Wind Rune

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    i hope so but it won't happen. naruto leaving the village would mean tsunade is not hokage anymore, akatsuki would have a free jinchuriki without much of a fight, jiraiya will probably have to go away as well to protect naruto and who knows what will happen to hinata and sakura.
     
  7. Freed One World

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    Well, in any case, the series is certainly regaining, slowly but surely, it's special touch that was present during the Chuunin exam period..I am not saying it was lame afterwards but it was just lacking a little something.For sure, things will never be what they were for Naruto and company.Things are about to get ugly :omg.
     
  8. blue fox Kage Bushin no Jutsu!

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    I DEFINATLY agree with the concepts behind this topic.

    Something is a-brewing...I think its too early to speculate, but ever since Part II, the stakes have been MUCH higher for Naruto. Not only personally, but village wise. The Akatsuki situation, coupled with internal politics in Konoha, has created the perfect situation for a war-monger like Danzou to create a large scale ninja war. This places Naruto RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, being Konoha's ultimate Jinchuuriki.

    Who are his friends? Who are his enemies? How will this brewing ninja war unfold? How does Naruto factor into everything? How does Sasuke/Orochi influence things? What about the Akatsuki? Gaara/Sand? Who in Konoha will side with Naruto?

    THIS is why I think Part II will be better than Part I.
     
  9. Jackal Iscariot Ero-sennin

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    YEAH! :jir_thumb

    ps: I need a beer...

    ps2: oh there she is!
     
  10. Wrath Mourning

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    I'm liking the new complexity of the series. Part 1 was always relatively simple: protect Tazuno from enemies; pass the Chuunin exam; beat up Gaara; save Sasuke. There were always two easily defined sides to any conflict, even though the players moved about a bit.

    But now we have Akatsuki, we have the Sound, we have the Jinchuurikis, we have Root and we have the philosophies of the villages.

    This coming arc is the equivalent of the Chuunin Exam arc. That basically just had "Orochimaru and the Sand = bad" as a plot basis. Now we have "Akatsuki spying on Orochimaru plotting against the Leaf infiltrated by Root" and "Akatsuki hunting Naruto searching for Sasuke searching for Itachi hunting Naruto". It's much more complicated, although it's been handled quite well in that it's a natural progression. Kishimoto hasn't thrown us into the deep end. That's admirable from a writing perspective, as he's trying not to alienate his audience.

    Right now, for this arc, we have "the good guys", aka Naruto and Sakura. We have the "bad guys", aka Orochimaru. And then we have the Akatsuki, who may come after Naruto. We have Sai, who has unknown objectives. We have Yamato, whom we don't know anything about and may have a secret mission of his own. We have the Grass-nins whose territory they will be entering. We have the remaining Jinchuurikis, who are likely to show up. This is far more involved than the days when the Leaf was good and the Sound was bad.

    The Naruto storyline is under going an evolvution, rather than a revolution. It's changing over time, not suddenly.
     
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  11. AEmer Member

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    some more sctuff

    I'm glad to see I'm not alone with this perspective! I very much agree with wrath though, that Kishimoto must make sure he doesn't alieanate his audience...this is extremely important when changing the setting that is the premise of the story, and that is, after all, what we're talking about here.

    But let's face it: the setting of the story is bound to change. Ninja-kid has fox in gut and must turn the hate of the village to love and admiration, yeah yeah, been there done that, ended with part 1. If all we got now was an introduction of jinchuurikis, as well as some akatsuki, orochimaru and sasuke action, some new missions, and a couple of new characters...it'd seem like part 2 and beyond was just an ending 'tacked on' to part 1. That doesn't work.

    Kishimoto is faced with the task of intertwining the old storyline threads with altogether new ones, and ones which we would not expect... Considering what seems to be happening...well, this is just my personal bet at what will happen next. It'd be lovely if someone with another idea for how the plot will develop in an interesting way could propose an alternative, though.

    In reply to blazingshadow:
    And that's interesting...really, I don't see a huge problem with Tsunade getting kicked off as Hokage...If that happened, she'd undoubtedly return to her exile...I'd suspect her re-instatement at some point down the line, and I'd suspect her exile would be based upon false information of some kind...

    Now, as for the old genin...Well, if changes happen in Konoha, someone on the inside have to witness it...I recon that to be a fairly likely path for many former-genin characters to take... That, or take part in an exile, making it a kind of exodus...

    Jiraiya never was part of the Konoha elite...he isn't suited for the title of Hokage. He never was someone who's able to rally people under him like a Hokage should...and even though he's pretty wise, it's in a hermit kind of way..his exile won't be a problem...

    The major problem would be Naruto's _own_ exile, the way I see it...who'd lead him?, cause...well, he sure aint a leader type (just yet anyway)...so, he'd have to be following someone...but other than that, I can't really think of anything...

    But yeah, maybe I'll try to add some more speculation later...
     
  12. Sunuvmann <font color="##5262fc">of the Rebellion</font>

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    Ok I kinda like the concept. Missing-nin Naruto sounds sooooooo bad ass. Hes chased out of village, hes being chased by forces who want his power, and he has to fight back. Naruto rampage :drool HOW FREAKING AWESOME!
     
  13. Satetsu Kaihou

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    If Naruto is forced to flee wouldn't the Tsunade, Jiraiya, Kakashi and the other genins oppose this? The only way I see this happening is if both the advisors along with Tsunade are killed. After all the advisors do seem to want some kind of protection for him.
     
  14. underthesun New Member

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    actually it'd be awesome if he became exiled then he gets to go to other countries. three cheers for more countries on display :)
     
  15. Sariachan shadowy_blue no neechan

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    Their mission is only to take the spy back with them to Konoha, where they can get informations from him/her and, then, prepare the mission to kill Orochimaru and take Sasuke back.

    But in the meanwhile something big could really happen in Konoha... with Kakashi still recovering, Jiraiya missing and at least Kurenai's team out of the village, I'm starting to fear for Tsunade's life. :(
    One thing is sure: Danzou is a dangerous man, and it seems he's prepared his plan from a long time.
     
  16. Kahlua2606 ANBU

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    I would like to see Konoha get shaken up a little bit from within, make people choose sides and have a stand off. Danzou is a dangerous person in that he seems to wield a lot of power with the Elders, along with having the alleigance of the 'Roots' as well as who knows how many full-fledged ANBU members. I've always wanted to see the ANBU in a more prominent role, perhaps them fighting among themselves, between those loyal to the Hokage and those loyal to Danzou.
     
  17. shibigoku Master of the fist

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    Yes, that's what I said. Konoha is slowly going againts the ways of the 3rd thx to Danzou and the fact that the Hokage is a woman. I'm not sexist but it sure looks like the council looks down on Tsutsu (tell me if that nick works) because she's a woman. Now that his biggest rival is dead, Danzou has been plotting for 3 years to take over as Hokage. Proofs: he has strong ties in the council and ANBU root, that was said to be dismantled, sure looks like it's active to me.
     
  18. mercycubed my left eye is my fox eye

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    Part I: Danger of the outside world.
    Part II: The threat from within.
     
  19. masta_phat Anbu specialist

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    i'm really starting to get the feeling like tsunade is gunna meet her end against danzou, and the plot will in turn have naruto fighting danzou in the end to become hokage. Aside from the Akatasuki leader i don't think there is anyone quite as powerful as Danzou, he rivaled the 3rd (the professor who knew every move in konoha) for hokage, he is obviously not an elite jounin but way..way more.
     
  20. Tsuuga Haunghted.

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    The cover page of this chapter really makes me suspect Yamato.
     
  21. Chatulio Senex

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    The breath before the plunge....i so love this political intrigue :amuse. Also a civil war within konoha would be so awesome.
     
  22. The_Leader Nope, not here!

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    :huh

    That's what I said. This is a Akatsuki spy. And there are probably going to be Akatsuki members at the bridge, who are there to kill Orochimaru, and who are NOT going to allow that spy to remain alive or in enemy hands. And there is Oro and Sound, who aren't going to just allow Naruto and co. to come kidnap a member of their own village to be interrogated.

    And finally, the spy probably isn't going to be coming along willingly.

    And also, this is Naruto. And guess what Akatsuki wants? And if the spy is kidnapped, guess what they're going to try and do?

    And this is foreign territory, and insofar as we know, intruding ninjas without permission are KOS?

    And Leaf isn't close?

    This mission calls for discretion, stealth and patience. But there are a lot of unknown variabilities and possible dangers involved.

    Perhaps more than any other mission we've seen.
     
  23. Seany Banned

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    oh god reading these posts has got me so excited for this arc, what I would want to happen is either something happens in konoha when naruto on his mission, or naruto is kidnapped or one of the new members bettrays the others, it could go either way! cannot wait to see what happens.:nuts
     
  24. geminis Active Member

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    I hope everything you just mentioned happens.
     
  25. hakke Bird in a cage...

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    This change of pace and plot evolving is what Naruto needed, as it was mentioned, the goals in part 1 were very defined... basic. It wasnt bad, but with the characters getting old, its logical for them to "enter" the world of politics... like the kids are just opening their eyes to something probably always present in the village.

    as for the current story, yes... Naruto going alone with Sakura and 2 strangers means the elders wont cry if NAruto dies or is captured. In fact, its makes sense that they want the jinchuriki to protect the village... BUT if its attaked or catpured, better to be away from Konohagakure.

    I'll throw my theory that Tsunade will secretly send Team 8 as backup for Naruto, but only if things get serious... I mean they will follow NAruto from afar... and only if Team kakashi is in danger they will act.

    Bottom line, the series is about to go into another level... get ready, Its gonna be awesome!
     
  26. Splintered Active Member

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    It's interesting how everyone is thrying to take more political power away from the Hokage.

    Before the council only took measures of leading Konoha when the Hokage was not around. This includes Suna. But as of late, Suna and Konoha's council are taking more extreme steps. And now Konoha has a new military leader that seems to want to have some control over what is happening.

    So we have:

    Hokage: Head of State, Military commander (anbu and corps), pretty much controls economy (who gets what job), and I guess she can enact laws so legislative body, electing a new Hokage.

    Council: powers unknown. Probably the power of oversight, electing a new Hokage in the event that a Hokage is not elected, and power over military in the event of a lost Hokage. Not control over military?

    Danzou: Leader of a military branch: ROOT. Probably wields a lot of power.

    Hokage owns the other two in power though.
     
  27. frz1 Nami Swaaaaaaan!!!!

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    Yeah, this arc is really starting to get hairy. There's conspiracy written all over this thing. As someone mentioned before, a sort of civil war breaking out in Konoha just might be the end result of all of this. We might start seeing the ugly side of the ninja world.
     
  28. Alia_Atreides Mew...

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    I agree. Dont think we are going to see Tsunade as a Hokage for long. Oh, yes, things will change in Konoha, and pretty soon. As Naruto turning in to a missing nin I dont know, because that would part him from this great scenario - Konoha?s village - and from all those side-kicks we love. Or would all of them go away?
    But changes in Konoha, thats for sure... Its good, though, we are seeing a new plot. Now, I hope, however, that we can see some of the old plots resolved before this goes too hot... It would not be nice if we had five or six unresolved plot lines, I really want to see those characters getting somewhere - if we think about it, Naruto is not even a chuunin yet...
    Wish they could get that Sasuke plot over soon...
     
  29. Daenerys Stormborn Mother of Dragons Advisor

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    Hmm...I think the political intrigue going on in Konoha is going to heighten, and possibly break into violence, but I don't think it will go as far as Tsunade being killed or deposed. Danzou and his Root minions might be powerful, but can they really stand up to two of the legendary Sannin (I'm assuming Jirayia would be on Tsunade's side in the event of an attempted coup)? Plus, there's Gai, Kurenai, Asuma, and their teams, plus Kakashi (i.e. all the other main characters from Konoha) to deal with. Presumably those members of ANBU who are not part of Root would also be loyal to Tsunade. I think Danzou and Root could start some trouble, but they're just not powerful enough, IMO, to bring down Tsunade when she has the support of so many powerful shinobi.
     
  30. AEmer Member

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    That's an interesting point Akatsuki210...

    I thought about that a lot as well, but it got me to thinking. A lot of the old-gennin characters we know are supposedly out on missions. Their jounin are with them....
    So what I'm thinking is, we could have a very rapid coup, a sort of silent replacement where the chain of events are rewritten afterwards, and the old gennin are forced to accept the leadership of a new hokage through a conspiracy...

    Think about it. Supposedly Danzou wants what is best for the village...although he seems mostly interested in his own agenda, and his methods seem hateful, he is still a hawk...what would happen if a full-on civil war broke out?, it'd be far worse than what happened at the destruction of Konoha, in so far as weakening Konohas military power...enemy countries and kages would be hard pressed not to seize the opportunity and lay seige to Konoha in a full-on war...since he's a war hawk, Danzou would foresee something such as this...

    No, if Danzou wishes to change the balance of power, he will have to conquer it with minimal losses. It will be imperative to him that it happens silently, in the shadows, and that everyone in Konoha is able to respect the new Kage...

    I think it's a likely scenario, but I also think Kishimoto will have thought up something special and interesting for this. Eh. We'll see.
     
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