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2x Kisame w/o Samehada vs Kisame w/Samehada

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Shark, Oct 12, 2018 at 6:24 PM.

  1. Shark Ikimasu yo

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    Kisame is fighting two identical versions of himself that lack their respective Samehada's.

    No restrictions.
     
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    I don't think Samehada doubles his fighting power. He loses to the Samehada-less duo.
     
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    Kisame reks Kisame
     
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  4. Hi no Ishi Well-Known Member

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    Samehada has an orgasm and dies. 2v1 stomp.:Kisame:kblushvs :kislide


    OT Kisame Duo uses Double Daikodan to counter Samehada and take the W.

    Samehada does not outweigh the rest of Kisame's abilities. Especially enough for a 2x.
     
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    Depends on how chakra loss affects the duo

    If it weakens them like it did SM Naruto, then they win high diff

    If it simply stops them from using ninjutsu, then mid diff

    Dude
    Daikodan is still a chakra construct, why would it counter Samehada instead of the other way round?
     
  6. Hi no Ishi Well-Known Member

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    Absorbtion counters Absorbtion! It would still be two big ass sharks crashing into Kisame and chewing him.

    How do you make a word a link like that btw?
     
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    Ahh, it feels good to know something others don't
    Daikodan absorbs chakra, Samehada absorbs chakra

    Daikodan absorbs on contact, Samehada has a small but definite range

    Daikodan can be dodged, Samehada . . .

    Daikodan cant absorb Samehada becuase . . .

    See the next post for the tagging

    So it seems predertemined to me
     
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    Use the 'edit' function



    On mobile, make a post and post it

    Then go to the three lines at the bottom left of the post and select 'edit'

    When you see your post as a pop-up:
    You'll see the links within HTML tags
    You can edit the text of the tag, as long as the details (such as user number) are still the same

    So . . .
    Please to teach me how to make.links of scans?
     
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  9. Hi no Ishi Well-Known Member

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    Agreed!
    It does have a range but since Samehada can't absorb two things of that size in one swing before they are at point blank range it's kinda moot right?
    Does Kisame have the feats to dodge two things that size?
    While swinging around a sword?


    Nope but the instant two things try to absorb each other they end up with a fat nothing from what we have seen.
     
  10. Hi no Ishi Well-Known Member

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    I always use my mobile to post so

    1. Download the image/ video

    2. Upload it to Imugr or YouTube etc etc.

    3. Highlight the uploaded scan to get a direct link address.

    4. Paste the link into the box that come up when you hit the picture button between the smiley face icon and the film strip icon.

    5. You have posted a scan!
     
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  11. Prince Vegeta So I be written in the book of love

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    Kisame fuses with samehada and beats both kisames
     
  12. Silnaem Nothing for Wisdom

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    I meant to type it out like i did withnthe tagging, such that a poster would click on a word, which wpuld either lead them to the scan address or just cause the svan to pop up
    He (sorry for assuming your gender) does it a lot

    OT:
    Merged KiSamehada can absorb both at once

    Regarding the 'other' times:
    One didn't have a clear advantage over thw other and thier mechanics were not as such

    Here, we know that Daikodan does nothing to Samehada bevuase it is not chakra
    Samehada isnt affected becuase his absorption is not chakra based, its literal eating.
     
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    Classic cqc?
     
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    Daikōdan is an offensive ninjutsu; its ultimate aim is to incapacitate the enemy - therefore it will damage the enemy (in this case Samehada).
    Samehada is a cheating female.
     
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    Well there is a point to the thread and it does test some hypotheses.
     
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    I meant during the absorption battle

    Also, Samehada works from range so she eats Daikodan before Daikodan makes contact
     
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    Not always.
     
  19. SuikodanFlight22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    I don't think Samehada can absorb all of Daikodan, it simply takes too much chakra imo.

    And 2 Daikodan are gonna overwhelm 1.

    The Regen doesn't help, 2 Daikodans right on him are one shotting.

    The 2 Kisames win
     
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    You consider a single Daikodan from normal Kisame to be worth more than 3 tails of chakra?

    And even if it is, what are you basing this absorption limit on?
     
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    All chakra absorbtion is chakra based unless proven otherwise lol what else would it be?

    Samehada has a mouth tounge and teeth so it probably can eat normally as well, but eww.

    Anywho, when merged the range is basically 0 anyway as he had to actually tag B to drain him.
    Regardless once the absorbtion nulls each other out there are still to big ass hungry sharks to deal with.
     
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    So it'd pretty much be 2 Kisames (with lower scale Chakra absorption) against 1 Kisame (with higher Chakra absorption)

    I can imagine the 2 winning here.
     
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    Is there any reason to believe Samehada would aid Kisame in killing two other Kisames, or are we forced to disregard Samehada's mindset, @Shark?

    This reminds me of a Jiraiya vs. Naruto scenario, why would the toads even participate?
     
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    Disregard Samehada's mindset.
     
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    All? Based on what?

    If you say ninjutsu classification, okay

    Then i must prove the exception

    When it comes to ninjutsu, it always invlolves some.level of chakra control and cost.
    With Samy this was never even implied

    We were never told of any technique, control or anything related to ninjutsu.

    In the other hand, it was stated to be literal feeding.

    Contrast with Twin Lions, which is shown and said to be a chakra shroud
    Contrast this with Preta, which works through Rinnegan, which is chakra taxing

    And for Preta, one could still make arguement . . .

    But anyway, chakra was described as being sustenance for Samy, just as with food for humans.

    The idea of it being a chakra based ability goes against logic
     
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    If I tried to vacuum up water that was also going down a drain, the two would pull against each other. If the two had equal suction the water simply wouldn't go anywhere. It wouldn't matter that one suction is mechanical and one is gravitational,the suction on the pool is what has an effect.

    Tldr: trying to focus on the how of it absorbing when no difference was stated is irelevant to the action of Absorbtion.

    The wood Dragon and Preta are not the same thing either but they still canceled each other out, for example.
     
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    1. Tue water, in this case, is literally walking into the vacuum.
    This should in fact come down to who can eat who, in which case . . . .
    Two suction forces going toqards each other only serve to pull each other faster. The result depends on which has the bigger mouth. Now since Dai can't take Samy, its the most straightforward result


    2. Did Preta and Wood Dragon properly clash and cancel out on panel?
    I don't remember it
    Wood Dragon doesn't even try to absorb, it merely suppresses
     
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    I believe it was stated that the swords count as half the power of a legendary swordsman, so this is way too close to give an answer i think.
     
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    So Gai defeated 50% Kisame. :maybe

    It seems Gai only defeated 30% and 50% Kisame in his lifetime. :hehee
     
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    Gai badly beat up 50% Kisame with topografical advantage by his own admission, if you want.

    Gai also beat 30% Kisame (who's very close to his 100% given his chakra, even mentioned by the Akatsuki, as he can use the majority of his techs in said mode) in less than 10 seconds when serious, not even going 7 gates.

    Kisame's just below him as i see it.
     
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