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[317] No kyuubi aura around Naruto = No Kyuubi chakra Usage

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by PoopTart, Jul 27, 2006.

  1. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Advisor

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    As I said, he talks of Naruto's reliance on the Kyuubi's chakra with an image of KN4 in the background. He speaks of Naruto seeing through his own eyes instead of the Kyuubi's, likely referring to the Kyuubi's influence over Naruto when the chakra shroud comes forth.

    I'm just making sense of the whole situation, since Kakashi and Yamato have made a very obvious implication that Naruto will be using the Kyuubi's chakra for this training. I'd hate to see a bunch of threads in a few weeks about how stupid Naruto and Yamato are for contradicting themselves--they aren't.
     
  2. Continuity .

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    Well said.

    I don't like seeing such confusion... I recommend to everyone they wait each week for a translation from highly reputable translators like Nihongaeri and Yoshitsune. Not that the others are bad or wrong, it's just that you can't go wrong with these two, usually. I always wait for one of their translations. Feel free to add more names to this list.

    It's the same issue with people that confused Hidan and Kakuzu, some translators had them backwards, and people believed it. You can't trust every translation. I'm sure there's many more examples of this, like with this Kyuubi chakra confusion.
     
  3. Descent of the Lion What 0Fear has always been

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    Its the opposite. If Naruto was simply using Kyuubi's chakra Yamato would only be put to work when he was needed to hold Kyuubi's tails down. Naruto never needed aid to use Kyuubi's chakra before. Sounds like someone doesn't understand. Yamato can only supress Kyuubi when he is NEAR Naruto. He is surpressing Kyuubi as we speak, which means he doesn't want Naruto to use it at all. Yamto is not filtering chakra, he's not regulating chakra( because Naruto's seal does that already). He supressing the chakra, period.
     
  4. PoopTart Member

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    Well said.

    I don't like seeing such confusion... I recommend to everyone they wait each week for a translation from highly reputable translators like Nihongaeri and Yoshitsune. Not that the others are bad or wrong, it's just that you can't go wrong with these two, usually. I always wait for one of their translations. Feel free to add more names to this list.
     
  5. PoopTart Member

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    He said chakra...not shroud. Which makes my argument relevant and yours...not.
     
  6. Continuity .

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    Don't get me wrong, it's cute and all that you said that, but it's slapping you in the face seeing as how Yoshitsune has a translation that reads...

     
  7. Genieman Random guy

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    Hmmm… there are two threads with the exact same name and context right now. This one and the one in Naruto Theories

    Well we could go with that there is none of the other signs that Naruto is using the kyubii’s chakra.

    Here are the signs I think of when Naruto uses the kyubii chakra. These are the signs that everyone uses when saying that Naruto used the kyubii chakra in all the other arguments about it (like the can “Naruto summon gamabunta without kyubii” thread).

    - his eyes look more like a cat’s eyes then a humans
    - the “whiskers” get bigger and more pronounced
    - he gets an aura around him (even happens when he is not using a tail)
    - his demeanor changes (he becomes angry and abrasive)

    well all of those things are not happening right now. He looks and acts completely normal. You could say that Yamato is keeping the kyubii’s chakra under control for him. I’m not saying it is absolutely positive that Naruto is using his own chakra but if he is not why aren’t any of the signs of using the kyubii’s chakra showing up on Naruto. If he is being given the kyubii’s chakra, even gradually wouldn’t he show some signs of it?
     
  8. Uzumaki~Kakashi Tomoyo's #1

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    This chapter did almost nothing to support either side of the argument because there was no hard facts. Just more speculation and theory.

    Believe what you want to believe in the end it's all the same Naruto is only 100x in this training and will never actually be 100x. Unless Kyuubi gets extracted:? Or he uses tails again.
     
  9. PoopTart Member

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    Thank you. That has been the point of this whole thread which everyone has evaded up until now.
     
  10. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Advisor

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    The Seal that was said to be weakening in the previous arc, no?

    Despite what was said in Chapter 315?

    <Kakashi> And if Yamato doesn't suppress the Kyuubi's chakra... It could be a hundred times more.

    <Naruto> !

    <Yamato> That's why you're the only one who can handle this kind of training, Naruto.


    I addressed that point in my first post in this thread. Where was the aura you brought up in your initial post when he used the Kyuubi's chakra to summon Gamabunta on both occasions?
     
  11. Descent of the Lion What 0Fear has always been

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    Just because Naruto has more chakra when Kyuubi is not surpressed doesn't mean he can make and maintrain 1000 bunshins by his own merit.
     
  12. I Я Reckless! shoot 'em dead

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    I think that if he was using the Kyuubi's chakra, the Manga would have made it obvious that he was doing so.Since there is no proof that he's using it, logically we should assume that hes not
     
  13. Waraji Random Random Random

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    the kyuubi chakra runs through him no matter what. I thought yamato was just trying to keep it under control so he doesnt produce the aura.
     
  14. PoopTart Member

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    OOOH! SO youre saying its OK to use the chakra...You just cant have a red glow about you cuz its a fashion disaster...NOW I GET IT!
     
  15. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Advisor

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    We have seen him make 1,000 Kage Bunshins with his own chakra, even Kakashi can use Tajyuu Kage Bunshin, his chakra reserve isn't enough to maintain the technique long enough for this kind of training to work.

    That's kind of the key, isn't it? This training is supposed to be going on continuously, these Kage Bunshins are supposed to be sustained for a number of days--isn't that the impression we were given? Kakashi can't sustain the technique long enough to get any kind of benefits with his chakra reserve, but Naruto has around twice as much and it works out for him just fine?

    I don't think that kind of difference justifies it. The Kyuubi's chakra was brought up for a reason; that, says Yamato, is the reason this training works out for Naruto.
     
  16. Continuity .

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    You don't acknowledge the difference between using it's chakra and using it's manifestation?

    Summon Gamabunta = Good
    Develop poisonous shroud under Kyuubi's control = Bad
    Turn into mini Kyuubi that can't determine friend or foe = Very bad

    If you can do one without the other, it would be good. Naruto could summon Gamabunta in part 1 without going out of control, because his seal was stronger. His seal, which keeps Kyuubi's control at bay, is weakened. Remember his transforming after fighting Deidara? He is losing contol in emotional states easier than before, and using a lot of chakra will bring him closer to using Kyuubi chakra. Using Kyuubi chakra can lead to Kyuubi's manifestation easier than before, when the seal was stronger. Now that Yamato is there to help in the training, Naruto can use some of this Kyuubi chakra, to allow him to keep these clones present for weeks possibly. He needs the Kyuubi chakra to perform this training in such a short time.

    Remember: If any ninja with a lot of chakra (like Kisame and Naruto) could do this training, it would have been done before and suggested sooner. Since only Naruto has access to possibly the biggest source of chakra in the world, only he can realistically do this training. Even Kisame doesn't have enough, it would seem. The problem with this is that if Naruto uses that chakra, he can go into a tailed transformation, and that's what Yamato is there for, to prevent that. Yamato allows some chakra to leak through, like the seal used to do quite well, and he disallows the supreme overflow that is tailed transformations.
     
  17. Waraji Random Random Random

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    uh is that what i typed? i dont think it is
     
  18. I Я Reckless! shoot 'em dead

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    I think that if he was using the Kyuubi's chakra, the Manga would have made it obvious that he was doing so.Since there is no proof that he's using it, logically we should assume that hes not
     
  19. Descent of the Lion What 0Fear has always been

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    Kyuubi is not in this training...period. Thats why Yamato is struggling constantly to hold him back.
     
  20. I Я Reckless! shoot 'em dead

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    Yea, if Yamato is their, then wouldnt that mean that the chakra is being supressed??Meaning that he has to rely on his own chakra??
     
  21. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Advisor

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    Link removed
     
  22. Genieman Random guy

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    He never had aura for gamabunta. He had the cat eyes. Indecently he doesn?t have cat?s eyes right now either. Naruto isn?t showing any of the kyubii traits at all right now.
     
  23. I Я Reckless! shoot 'em dead

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    Actually, I dont understand why Yamato is there right now anyway......why does he nehold the kyuubi chakra back??Cant Naruto do that on his own??

    And also, what is so important about naruto using his OWN chakra to make the clones??
     
  24. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Advisor

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    He had neither the first time he summoned Gamabunta.

    That's why the thread starter's initial argument fails. This doesn't prove his case.

    I think Yamato's there just for insurance. Naruto's seal has been said to be weakening, and he's going to be drawing forth a lot of chakra for this training. It is my belief that Yamato is simply moderating the amount of Kyuubi chakra that Naruto draws forth to sustain his Tajyuu Kage Bunshin long enough.

    To put Naruto on an even higher standing?

    Worry of Kishimoto contradicting what was said in the previous arc?
     
  25. PoopTart Member

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    It never even showed Naruto during the summoning process. How could you possibly know that? However, his traits do show up WHILE using the kyuubi chakra.
     
  26. Genieman Random guy

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    But he had the demeanor and even mentioned it, Naruto said ?this is the feeling? and looked pissed off.

    Like I said earlier every time there was a dispute before on weather or not Naruto was using the kyubii it had come down to the noticalbe factors

    - his eyes look more like a cat?s eyes then a humans
    - the ?whiskers? get bigger and more pronounced
    - he gets an aura around him (even happens when he is not using a tail)
    - his demeanor changes (he becomes angry and abrasive)

    None of those are present here.
     
  27. Serenity Silk Does want a Custom Title

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    Except of course for the inhuman amounts of chakra needed to keep thousands of bunshins constantly exerting chakra for a whole day
     
  28. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Advisor

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    Uh, yes it did. Page 103 of Volume 11. That's in Chapter 95, if you want to narrow down your search.

    Thread starter's referring to nothing more than physical appearance, he looks no more pissed off there than some of his Bunshins did in the previous chapter.

    I wouldn't even call it a "pissed off" look. He was still Naruto, using the Kyuubi's chakra, but with no drastic physical changes.

    If you're looking for verbal evidence, it was already laid out in Chapter 315, it just didn't come from Naruto's mouth.
     
  29. I Я Reckless! shoot 'em dead

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    Oh Yea, thats a good point
     
  30. Genieman Random guy

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    Well that comes down to the 100x to 2x thing keeps being brought up. Weather 100x is kyubii or Naruto unabated. I honestly can?t really commit to either side of that argument right now because there is evidence both ways (The suppressing line before the training, the kyubii not being his real power line from earlier and there are others). That is a debate that is not going to end until there is even more evidence on one side or the other honestly
     

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