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3rd Raikage and Rasa vs Old Hiruzen and Tsunade

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Orochimaruwantsyourbody, May 9, 2018.

  1. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Well-Known Member

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    Location: Gokage vs Madara
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    Hiruzen and Tsunade are by far the stronger team here. They should win.

    With Hiruzen's clones, Wind Release, illusions, and deep knowledge of ninjutsu, they should be able to counter the Raikage's Lightning Armor. And with Tsunade replenishing his chakra levels as needed, he's not at risk of running out of chakra. In fact, there's little stopping the Hokage duo from abusing this, using Tsunade's Strength of a Hundred Seal to boost Hiruzen's impressive ninjutsu (e.g., Five-Elemental Assault) to smash straight through Rasa's defenses or the Raikage's Lightning Armor.

    Tsunade can also help protect Hiruzen, and herself, by summoning Katsuyu. Katsuyu could divide and serve as obstacles for the Raikage to have to move around, reducing his mobility on the battlefield. Additionally, Katsuyu could elevate both Hokage out of harm's way, forcing the Rakage to scale Katsuyu's boneless body to reach Hiruzen, who would likely be using long-range ninjutsu.

    Tsunade can also use her Herculean strength to force the Raikage and/or Kazekage into the air where they would be unable to defend themselves against Hiruzen's ninjutsu or Katsuyu's acid.

    Rasa is simply too weak to stack up to either Hokage, while the third Raikage's straight-forward fighting style is countered by Hiruzen's strategy and versatility.
     
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  3. Alita54 Alita>You

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    3rd raikage probably solos. Outside of hashi/madara he was the only kage who could tango with a bijuu for a extended amount of time. Don't see how either of these two are getting past his ration defense and I'm doubtful tsunade or hiruzen could even keep up with him considering he can evade attacks from kcm naruto. The best chance for the opposing team would be to stalemate the 3rd with the reaper death seal but hiruzen likely won't go for that outside of a last resort so he could end up getting killed before even getting to use it. Rasa with his gold dust's likely be AOE should be able to give raikage the openings he needs to deal with these two even if he does not have much in the way of feats.
     
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    Raikage solos.
    A3>Hiruzen~Rasa>Tsunade.
     
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    Saturobi uses a Futon to strip Raikage's shroud and propel Tsunade into into him for a finishing blow.

    Rasa chokes on sand or something.
     
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  7. Maverick04 Out of touch

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    Sure..It's not like A3 tanked a Fuuton Rasenshuriken from KCM Naruto or anything..But yea Old freakin Hiruzen would strip the Raikage's Raiton armor..The wank here is unreal
     
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    Temari's fodder core took off his shroud and gave him lacerations. Hiruzen Zero Dawn's futon matched the featless Bhudda's futon that would have wiped out all the fodder cores.

    They went, "That's the power of a Hokage!" not, "That's the power inferior to this bunch of mooks who very much could have matched this feat! Sucks they were out to lunch and we had to fall back of the Professor of Konoha."
     
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    Nevermind you're actually right. I came out of hiatus for one night only specifically to wank Old Hiruzen's futon. The game was good, but now it's up. The new generation has surpassed the old, my time is up. Find one piece for me.
     
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    Hiruzen was tagged by Orochimaru and brought down to dirt by punches of weak clone Tobi. Simple punches. Not amped with anything. He gets speedblitzed in no time.

    Tsunade amped with every single medical crap she has plus that slugish looking summon can stand her ground for a while but in the end, result is the same.
     
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    He didnt have his raiton armor up

    Doesn't really matter unless you prove Hiruzen's fuuton > KCM Naruto's Rasenshuriken
     
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    To diffuse something weak to wind, that the Raikage said to use wind jutsu on? Yeah nah. Think about it with in-universe common sense and logic. It's a C-rank jutsu. Seeing as FRS is an S rank super ultra jutsu that didn't exist in Raikage's day, there's no way he would have told them they need to use generic futons if the only thing that can stop his cloak is the most powerful jutsu of that element yet to exist in his time.

    The fact that he wasn't hurt after getting his armor stripped away is a testament to the Raikake's IRON BODY+shroud, not his shroud's base level, and probably the unique mechanics of the FRS's damage output being more akin to poison than a generic slashy stabby thing. They probably also stripped his shroud off in a previous volley if we're assuming he makes sense, and didn't tell them to use futons and then not put his lightening shroud on ever, and understand that that wasn't the only time they attacked Raikage with anything.

    But that doesn't really matter unless you prove Hiruzen's fuuton > KCM Naruto's Rasenshuriken, because that's the way you trap people into binomial arguments.

    idk if I used binomial right

    EDIT: See you thought I came to wank Sarutobi, but I actually just came to bash on Raikage shrouds. You gotta look underneath the underneath to find one piece.
     
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    Ok then explain why he tanked the rasenshuriken?? Don't bring up trivial stuff just to prove your case..I'm using manga feats here..A3 tanked Nature's FRS so with Raiton armor, even though it's weak to fuuton, was still able to tank FRS an S rank ninjutsu

    I'm not even gonna read this nonsense..Just show me where Temari and his team strip A3's raiton shroud with their fuuton..Coz from what I see, Raikage was in his base form when they attacked him..Also no, the fact that he wasn't hurt after the Rasenshuriken is not because of his "Iron body + LCM"..His "Iron Body" was sliced up nice by Temari and her fodders..It was all A3's Raiton armor which helped him tank that shit..Naruto's rasenshuriken is the epitome of slashing and stabbing..It takes this slashy stabby to the next level by cutting down one's chakra networks

    And you still haven't explained how Hiruzen's fuuton compares to even the first ever Rasenshuriken used let alone it's latter iterations
     
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    Why are you here if you don't want to read nonsense. That is like, most of this manga and this entire section.

    Wait, did you just call the mechanics of jutsu and their unique properties and relations as explained in manga and their databook entries trivial points, along with in-universe logic and common sense and mindsets and knowedge? That's like, the entire reason the story world is more interesting than a number simulator.
     
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    Hurr durr..Stop beating around the bush and Prove that Hiruzen can replicate Naruto's feat with his fuuton..Coz thats the least someone requires to even strip off A3 from his LCM..Even then he was able to stand up and use the Raiton armor again..So dont know what "stripping him off" the raiton armor is gonna do anyways..Firstly, Raikage aint gonna stand there and take the brunt of Hiruzen's ninjutsus..Hell Old hiruzen hasnt shown anywhere near that level of reaction speed..When even KCM Naruto wasnt able to tag A3 with FRS in his first attempt..Hiruzen is gonna get his head chopped off by nukite..Tsunade wont be doing any better either
     
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    imo the raikage wasn't hurt because frs creates a vortex of small blades which orbit around the target causing death by 1000 cuts. It isn't a focused attack, and it doesn't have driving power once it erupts into it's sphere. I can very easily see thousands of little futon bits diffusing against the shroud and weathering it away, but not having the concentration left to damage the Raikage's body underneath it. Particularly when the FRS's blades attack at a cellular level, causing massive internal damage. But even the Raikage's blood and cells have hype and feats of surviving teleportation, which attacks both inside and out, ripping the innards to pieces in much the way FRS is stated to. It got a whole chapter to it. So it's quite possible it did do internal damage to the Raikage, but not as much as it would a normal ninja, and not enough to overcome the edo tensei's regenerative capabilities. After all, there was no gross damage to impede his motor functions, and we've seen edo's run around with half their body blown off like it ain't no thang.

    It don't bother me none to believe that and everything else that happened on panel. It's not like it contradicts anything.
     
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    It takes time to type a SOPHISTICATED VIEW of a children's manga.

    Hiruzen's futon is like. Massive. Also like. You just showed a scan of Raikage standing there and taking a futon net to the face instead of dodging. idk he gets tagged. Wind streams aren't a thing you dodge so much as tank when you're tankage. It's not like it's really going to hurt him, that's what Tsunade is for. It's how she punches Madara and stuff. It's how every heavy hitter in the series lands a strong hit on an opponent in a team situation. Like there's basically no way chunin Choji's hitting anyone with his fat fists, but during a team attack he punches the snot out of people because of formations and set ups and team work. That's just how fighting goes.

    Not to mention Hiruzen literally trained Tsunade, as the original Captain Teamwork sensei who trained three ninjas legendary for their teamwork. Manga knowledge basically means full knowledge, and they both know exactly what to do.
     
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    Which says nothing.

    Orochimaru tagged Hiruzen. Hiruzen also tagged Orochimaru. Sakura tagged Kaguya, Tsunade tagged Madara, Torune tagged Obito. Orochimaru tagged Jiraiya, Tsunade, Sasuke, and K4 without the use of hand seals.

    When ninja fight, they tend to tag each other.

    You have posted this a few times, but it is filler. The only time Hiruzen engaged Hashirama and Tobirama up close was when he struck at Orochimaru with Enma and placed explosive tags on the Senju Bros, at which point they both kicked him and lost their legs for their trouble.
     
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    Tsunade is near Lightened A and A3 is weaker than A4 at V1 even. Hiruzen back with element while tsunade shred them apart.
     
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    With Tsunade being able to boost Hiruzen’s jutsu the duo should overwhelm the other team without to many problems
     
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    They have nothing on par with FRS, Raikage solos after a long battle.

    Rasa is out of his depth here.

    I think Raikage has portrayal on his side as well. :hm
     
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    I don't think Rasa's such a non factor here. 1v1 he really doesn't stack up to the other 3 but in a support role to someone as devastating as the 3rd Raikage, that's really good synergy. A3 is going to be demanding a lot of their attention due to the risk Nukite poses. From there Rasa can fly out of range and use his gold dust to intercept blows that would be risky for A3 as well as provide footholds for him. I don't think of Rasa is as skilled as war arc Gaara but there isn't any reason to believe he can't handle that much. His shield likely can't tank as hard as Gaara's either but as long as he's dulling the power A3 won't have to worry about it through his own defenses. Hiruzen and Tsunade's blows are also mostly blunt force rather than penetrative to bypass this.

    Enma can probably block Nukite but it's hard to keep that up in staff form, and going on the defensive will then have them at a disadvantage. I feel like Tsunade and Hiruzen are also an effective combination and have team work+strategy advantage but Nothing to really significantly break this formation comes to mind. They don't have the available information or sage mode reflexes to pull off what Naruto did against solo A3 either.
     
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    The third raikage tanked a kcm amped frs which had a straight counter advantage against raiton...the team have nothing even close to that even if tsunade amps hiruzens ninjutsu....the raikage was able to fight the damn hachibi in aa fistfight to a draw,...he can last three days while continuously fighting. He is literally immune to tsunade and hiruzens offense posseses greatly superior speed and reactions to murder them in cqc not to mention posseses a focused raiton in one finger nukite that possesses much greater power than even kcm frs in it so enma gets cut in half...as he was bleeding by kusanagi which couldnt scratch kn4 naruto...with rasa providing suppoert and slowing down and holding down tsunade and hiruzen withsand which can overwhelm freaking shukaku yeah team 1 wins easily. Rasa is getting seriously underestimated.
     
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    Oh yeah I forgot she could do that

    lmao
    rofl

    make me member of the month
     
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    Agree rasa is seriously getting underestimated he was able to overwhelm shuukaku a full bijuu with his sand...all he needs to do is slow down tsunade and hiruzen so that raikage makes it into cqc with his superior reactions speed and one finger nukite he cuts them to pieces, and enma will get cut like a twig by one finger nukite he was getting hurt by kusanagi which couldnt not scratch kn4 while one finger nukite easily outperformed kcm amped frs even with his own crazy raiton shield negating the raiton of his nukite.
     
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    Has the Hachibi ever won against anyone who did not eat his tentacle?
     
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    he was able to bitch slap the goddamn six tails like a little bitch a quarter mile when he got serious....dont underestimate him....he is easily a superior opponent then either hiruzen or tsunade.
     
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    It has been noted
    Frs has been stated to be the greatest fuuton in the manga and had temari a fuuton expert in disbelief...it was able to cut multiple hills in half when chucked against deva and in frog mountain and caused an expplosion equivilant to half the chibaku tensei crater....it disintegrated human path....please dont try to claim a fodder b rank fuuton from hiruzen is superior to the perfect combination of fuuton added to the highest level of shape manipulation amped by kcm shroud...just stop
     
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    The dude can keep going for three days straight and matched the second strongest bijuu in stamina coupled with hsi smuch greater speed reactions and nukite which is superior to kcm frs....they cant last....its like 2 mid tier xmen vs juggernaut.

    Rasa is being seriously underestimated here he held down a bijuu shukaku with his sand all he needs to do is low down and delay tsunades and hiruzens movements which he is certainly capable as they aint to bijuu...and once that happens raikage murders them in cqc.
     
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    the last time kages left something to failkage he almost got them all oneshotted and sealed before they even got to do anything

    he was the first one re-sealed after someone freed him because after he put his gold on top Gaara's sand while they were talking, Gaara put his sand on top of his gold while they were talking and he literally couldn't conceive of or notice that happening

    If he plays a factor I'm not convinced it wouldn't somehow be in getting raikage killed faster
     
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