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A4 vs Hebi Sasuke!!

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Hi no Ishi, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. Hi no Ishi We are all one family regardless of clan.

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    The Sauce vs the Boss!!


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    Killing intent but in character


    Fight!!
     
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  2. BlackHeartedImp Azul Bae

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    I'm just gonna be the 1st one to say it.
    Blitz GG.
     
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  3. Hardcore Well-Known Member

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    is this Sauce pre-kage summit?

    he loses badly
     
  4. kokodeshide The Dreaded Koko Has Arrived

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    God damn it. You are killing my brain with this match up, Ishi.

    I'll say Hebi Sasuke, but I could be swayed.
     
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    Only way I can see Sasuke winning is if he lands a CS lvl 2 Chidori stab and it manages to get through A's Raiton armor and his body and actually stabs him but chances are by the time Sasuke thinks about this it'll be too late and A will finish him off
     
  6. Samael Mal the malevolent one.

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    ....tf
     
  7. wooly Eullerex BTW, Izanagi is a ninjutsu; chidori is a nin-taijutsu

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    and this would be a horrible match up, in spite of its hi-lvl
     
  8. BlackHeartedImp Azul Bae

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    Wouldn't Sasuke just get his head blitzed off here? Couldn't even keep up with his movement while he had MS (Ay was also the first kage he fought so there's no stamina excuse).
     
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    MS isnt extra special in terms of seeing movement or anything IIRC, CS2 should allow sasuke the speed an power needed to kill A4. His wings also prevent one or 2 blind side blitzs. Physically, hebi sasuke should shit on MS sasuke. V1 A4 wasn't too fast for Sasuke to deal with. So CS2 vs V2 A4 would be an interesting match up.
     
  10. UchihaX28 U̶c̶h̶i̶h̶a̶W̶a̶n̶k̶e̶r̶

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    Kage Summit Sasuke was explicitly stated to have stronger chakra than Hebi Sasuke meaning that every one of Sasuke's defining features such as speed, reflexes, and ninjutsu have increased significantly due to Sasuke's superior chakra. This statement was likely a means to offset the fact that Sasuke did lose the Cursed Seal, but more than made up for it with the Mangekyo which awakened chakra that boosted all of his abilities. Because of that, while Sasuke could probably dodge V1 Raikage's speed point-blank, Chidori isn't going to penetrate Raikage's armor, so the same happens in the manga except Sasuke has no means of defending against his Liger Bomb.

    V2 Raikage absolutely blitzes the slower Hebi Sasuke though considering Sasuke with superior precognition and speed afforded by the Mangekyo and its superior chakra wasn't enough to react to Raikage at all. The best he could do was see his movement yet he couldn't even physically react to it. Even if Hebi Sasuke can perceive his movements, he's not physically reacting to V2 Raikage who otherwise would've blitzed MS Sasuke without Susano'o and would've lopped Minato's head off if it wasn't for Hiraishin.
     
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  11. Grinningfox Bored

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    When was this ever a thing? Stronger chakra doesn't mean his boost is stronger. CS2 isnt just a chakra boost its also like a limit remover, Stronger chakra still has to come out of a limited form.

    Stronger chakra than 3T Hebi Sasuke sure, Stronger chakra than CS2 Hebi Sasuke? I doubt it. Either way, "strong chakra" or not, the amp that CS2 gives is far beyond a "strong chakra" amp.
     
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    Considering how the superior MS Sasuke faired Hebi Sasuke is doomed to get taken out once A goes V2. Hebi Sasuke may have the advantage in physical stats over his MS self but that won't be enough to save him. Sasuke's only hope is landing a CS2-amped Chidori or lasting long enough to use Kirin but this is very unlikely to happen. So I side with A on this one, he should win with mid difficulty.
     
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  14. Wrecked Baloney Holy Water!

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    Hebi Sasuke ded.
     
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    Except there certainly is a correlation between chakra and speed. The only reason CS2 made him faster was through stronger chakra, so MS Sasuke having superior chakra would indicate that MS Sasuke would be even faster and more powerful than CS2 Sasuke. That's even supported by the narrative where the hatred experienced by an Uchiha in general makes them even more powerful.

    Not sure what you mean by "limit remover".



    Karin compared it to CS2 Sasuke's chakra:

     
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    Sasuke gets badly destroyed, there is literally nothing he can do here to win. Best case scenario he gets same chidori stab to chest, get ligerbombed, regenerates with oral rebirth, raikage gets pisses off, enters v2 and suddenly sasukes head flies off. Even if we take unreal scenario that he somehow prepares kirin, raikage reacts to it and dodges.
     
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    Not that I disagree that Hebi Sasuke would lose horribly, but...

    Wasn't the translation that Sasuke's chakra was 'colder', not stronger?
     
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    Nah. But it grants better precog, we know that superior eyes give boost and better advantages to early sharingan stages. Those MS eyes aided sasuke in following A4s movement speed but he couldn't react physically, hebi doesn't have susanoo rib cage or MS, which wouldn't matter. He gets stomped.
     
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    In the Viz, it says thicker. In Sasuke's case, the colder his chakra got, the stronger he became.
     
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  21. Samael Mal the malevolent one.

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    Ties in with the Madara, indra thing and the little hatred bs that kishi came up with.
     
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    So V2 Raikage bashes the beautiful Uchiha's face in? :lbj

    Any disagreements before this thread is locked? :troll
     
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    Hebi Sasuke stand a chance against V1 A4 and if he lands a hit with his CS amp Chidori then it might proof fatal for A4 but once A4 goes V2 then Sasuke gets blitz
     
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    Basically this.

    But there is no way to quantify the damage difference between his regular Chidori and a CS powered one, so I'm not sure if it would be enough to kill A.
    If it fails to do so(which it probably does), then he probably survives the follow up Raiger Bomb with Oral rebirth, at which point A gets serious and goes V2 and likely kills Sasuke with a single punch.
     
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    CS2 was a qausi sage mode, not the same thing. It literally boosted your chakra. and abilities. MS doesn't do that. CS 2 took sasuke from KN1 Narutos bitch to breaking his arm in one move. MS doesn't do that. If sasuke was 3T vs itachi and they were equal in a fire battle, then went MS, he wouldn't suddenly over power Itachi because he activates MS. But with CS he would.
    You are right. But, that isn't even Sasuke using MS, so unless sasuke got some random super amp that trumps CS, she is literally just talking about the state of his chakra.

    It explains why each stage grants better precog, but it doesn't say that MS grants better precog, unless I missed it somewhere. It only says MS gives access to extra jutsu, not enhanced sight.
     
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    MS Sasuke was having a hard time with A4's speed, so I don't see what Hebi Sasuke is going to do about it. A4 wins, although Genjutsu may be Sasuke's best chance.
     
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    What you fail to understand is that awakening the MS is what produced a much more powerful chakra that was more powerful than Sasuke's CS2 transformation. This is explained by Tobirama when he states that the Sharingan is the reflection of the user's chakra and rapidly makes the user even stronger as a result. I'm not claiming that the MS is a literal transformation, I'm claiming that it permanently altered his chakra and produced a new, more powerful chakra such that it allows him to surpass his previous CS2 transformation because his normal state is now far stronger than what his normal state used to be. The gap between his MS self and Base Hebi self happened to be large enough that his MS self became more powerful than even his CS2 transformation.

    Karin compared his current chakra to his CS2 chakra and concluded that it was "thicker" (thus more potent) and colder which corresponds to even greater strength based on Tobirama's observations and what Sasuke experienced against Danzo. There's no purpose in Karin's statement if it's literally an arbitrary comparison being made on just the "state" of the chakra. These aren't just characters babbling random shit, these are statements that reflect authorial intent.
     
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    It becomes a thing of taking what we're given and accepting it type thing. We know that as the eye evolves so does it's strengths and the abilities that's granted. It would only be right for the eye to get better in perceiving attacks with precog. As the eye improves the things that come with the eye would do so as well.

    I don't think Hebi keeps track of A4 speed, MS sasuke had trouble trying to and trying to tag him with a tech. He lacked the reactions as well, so hebi definitely gets stomped.

    If genjutsu strength which is a sharingan feature increased due to a superior eye and the eyes overall power( getting susanoo, kamui or whatever unique power up you're blessed with) than why would precog be left out?
     
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    All sharingan features evolve with higher stages. For example sasuke from being unable to track E with MS to sasuke tracking Juubito with EMS.
     
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    That is complete speculation. As awakening the MS didn't suddenly Make Sasuke faster or Stronger, Karin never mentioned that when they fought Bee.
    You are also saying that thicker chakra is better than the extra chakra that CS2 gives you. MS is never once stated to enhance physical abilities. CS2 is.
    That just isnt true.
    1. Sasuke had MS before this and Karin didn't notice a difference.
    2. Sasuke had a HUGE personality swing at this moment. He became a straight up killer.
    3. Tobirama said the EYES become stronger and that makes the user stronger, well no shit, having MS abilities makes you stronger, it does not say that their PHYSICAL abilites improve. Nor does it ever imply or show that. Now, in Sasukes situation it is slightly different as his MS allows him to move more fluidly than normal, but it is never said to grant extra power or speed.
    4. Sasuke in both the Bee fight and in the A4 fight doesnt show an increase in speed over his hebi self. No one notes he got faster, only that his chakra is thicker.

    All in all you are making a false connection loosly based on sasuke having thicker chakra. Thicker chakra doesn't mean he has more physical ability than his all around enhanced CS2 counterpart. wonderful example. KCM/KN forms are not as physically powerful or reactive as SM despite having denser chakra.

    CS2 and MS are not equivalent forms so you cant just broadly paint them that way.
     
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