Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by Captain Altintop, Aug 4, 2017.
20 years ago or more,Shanks was a scrubb on Roger's crew and did not even reach his prime,also why would their fighting "echo through whole Grand line" if they were both mid tier ,low tiers or rookies ?Even WB said that their fights were legendary. Those fights stopped around 12 years ago,but they didn't start while Shanks was on Roger's crew.
vice admirals are shit if you compare them to whitebeard commanders
Shanks hasn't fought Mihawk since before he lost his arm, which was when Luffy was 7.
The sea is big and big fights are rare, so we are looking at around 20 years.
Those fights stopped around 12 years ago? No, because Shanks and Mihawk didn't fight the day before he lost his arm.
Just check out the difference between how Shanks and his crew looked when they met Luffy vs them at Marineford.
The difference is huge, just like how the gap between pre timeskip Luffy and post timeskip Luffy is huge.
Mihawk is still a top fighter in the world just like the top commanders, he's just not a yonkou. Shanks was just a mid or high tier when he saw kid Luffy. Still venturing out in his pirate career.
Akainu not being hurt at all by Marco and Vista's attack is one of the more ridiculous claims I've seen on here.
Why the hell would Akainu complain about them being Haki users then? Because he was unfazed whatsoever by their attack?
Come on now
First of all,Luffy caught fujitora off guard,also fujitora did not use any haki when Luffy caught him off guard.
When fujitora used haki,he could easily deal with Luffy in gear 3.
Also you do realize that fujitora was focusing most of his energy in holding all the rubble of dressrosa, obviously Luffy was going to push him back,and it only left a small dirt mark which is nothing.he caught fujitora off guard and fujitora did not even use haki
Fujitora would demolish cracker.all fujitora needs to do is gravity crush cracker,and cracker can't do a shit.since cracker obviously can't even take a scratch, gravity crush would be enough to kill him,also with 1 meteor fujitora would demolish all the biscuit soldiers of cracker .
Also fujitora was holding back ,because if he were to go all out,even the citizens of dressrosa would get hurt etc etc
cracker stands absolutely no chance against admirals.
> Visibly is shaken by the attack
> Gritting teeth while they attack
> Groans in pain
> Complains about them being haki users
"Akainu wasn't hurt at all"
There is a difference between memeing a character like Usopp and Urouge (who is still around Luffy leveled realistically) to god tier, however this is just delusional. These people don't care about the facts, they care about wanking admirals.
Akainu was not shaking in pain at all,he is groaning to show that he was only irritated a little by thier attacks,even akainu himself stated that thier attacks only irritated him a little.they surprise attacked akainu and still could not even scratch him.
All of the admirals were above old whitebeard easily
No one agrees with you for a reason, Akainu was hurt from that attack, this is such a simple thing.
He was shaking, when the attack happened.
He was gritting his teeth
He was groaning in pain
He also complained about them being haki users
Sorry but you aren't going to debate against factual information just because you like Akainu a lot. I should be laughing at you for trying to pull such a shitty argument, Akainu was objectively hurt and in pain, against two unnamed attacks. (albeit by surprise)
"All of the admirals were above old whitebeard easily"
Then why did Old Whitebeard beat Akainu after he was stabbed, had a heart attack, akainu got a free shot mid heart attack, he was ganked by a squad of vice admirals, etc?
Shitfaced post heart attack old WB beat Akainu, who is arguably the strongest admiral.
Whitebeard could not lay a finger on akainu.he had to sneak attack akainu when he was fighting against Marco and yet lost half his skull.lol
Akainu's attacks were what killed whitebeard
Akainu tanked his island splitting quake and was still perfectly fine.
whitebeard even with his strongest attacks failed to kill akainu,Not once after he got back up did he indicate that he had a single broken bone, let alone half dead lmao.Old Whitebeard did nothing to Akainu, he didn't even break a single bone.the dude got back up and kept on fighting like nothing happened
keep thinking a man who couldn't even last 1 day against some marines would defeat a man who lasted (and won) after 10 days against an admiral.
you realize Akainu can fight for ten days at least, and Whitebeard tapped out after a few hours right? And btw, Akainu took enough damage to permanently scar himself and he still fought for days. The Admirals were beyond old Whitebeard. Easily.
Really the idea that the Yonko are above the Admirals is just complete garbage. Point to me one instance of the Yonko fighting for more than even 1 day, let alone 10. Aokiji and Akainu permanently scarred each other. Whitebeard did nothing to either of them.
So let’s summarize- Akainu takes much more severe injuries than whitebeard, doesn’t bandage himself or take a single break before going to solo B.B.s crew.
You mean after WB got stabbed by squard, had a heart attack, akainu got a free shot where he pumped lava into whitebeard's heart, got ganked by like 10 vice admirals who were armed with bazookas, swords, guns, etc etc. That WB? Also I think he was hit by a kizaru laser as well.
Nope, WB in old age was well above the admirals and he dropped akainu in 2 hits.
More severe injuries to WB? WB was literally shot 152 times, 267 blade wounds, and 46 cannonballs. He was hit multiple times by Akainu and Kizaru each, and he had a fucking heart attack. Oh and whatever Blackbeard did to him.
But hey, pretend Akainu took more.
You're betting on a losing horse, no one in this forum will hold back laughter at a claim like Akainu and the admirals being over old whitebeard.
With 2 hits Akainu was on the ground face first defenseless, a 3rd or 4th hit would have killed him and Akainu couldn't do anything to avoid it. WB beat Akainu objectively, he just didn't continue cuz it was a war and not a battle.
Whitebeard even with his strongest attack failed to permanently scar akainu,he could not even break a single bone.
While akainu despite being sneak attacked with a full rage earthquake still managed to melt whitebeard's head.
Look at aokiji's body after his fight against akainu,almost his entire right side of his body is heavily scarred with burn marks and also his left leg has been reduced to a stump.
Whitebeard failed to permanently injure any of the admirals like how akainu did to aokiji.
And also gunshots cannon balls and sword cuts are mosquito bites.
Akainu did the most damage to whitebeard,he poured lava into his chest and melted his face and therefore killed whitebeard.
How do you know that? Did you see Akainu's x-ray?
Sanji was able to keep fighting against Vergo and Bon Kurei with cracked bones and even defeated Bon Kurei and Jyabura, he didn't lose his ground and he didn't go hiding like Akainu did. If WB didn't crack a single bone from Akainu and if Akainu still goes into hiding that wouldn't make any sense.
Stop making shit up, Whitebeard who was old, sick, was backstabbed by a giant sword through the chest by his strongest ally of the time, had a heart attack, was ganked by tons of vice admirals, akainu got a free chance to pump lava into his chest (heart) mid heart attack.
That's the whitebeard that two hits Akainu.
Akainu vs Aokiji = 10 day fight
No they aren't mosquito bites, they don't work on Luffy or admirals without haki but no sword cuts/stabs, cannon balls, and gunshots aren't irrelevant, I'd argue that Jack's cannonballs he hit zunisha with are stronger than an akainu named attack even.
Stop trying to hype up Akainu for getting a hit in when whitebeard was literally mid heart attack. Whitebeard would have survived if he hadn't decided to fight on his own and blackbeard didn't show up, his wounds before that point weren't death leveled at all.
Marco overpowered kizaru's defense and he still could not injure him.
And cracker? fujitora would stomp cracker as well.his durability is a joke,he literally got one shotted by Luffy in gear 4.if fujitora would gravity crush cracker,it will be more than enough to defeat him
Once marco reaches the limit of his regeneration,kizaru would stomp marco.marco's durability without his devil fruit is trash.when he was being lasered by kizaru,he was even struggling to walk and even struggled to stand properly.and Marco's regeneration reached it's limit within only a few hours in the war.later on he was fully covered in bandages which means that his regeneration already reached it's limit.
Jozu is a very heavy guy so yeah all fujitora needs to do is to just pin him down with gravity and drop a meteor on fujitora and jozu also gets defeated
Could no injure him? Where would the injury come from? Maybe a bruise on the arm under Kizaru's shirt? His attack didn't go through the defense and hit Kizaru in the face, it simply displaced him with extreme power towards the ground and Kizaru turned to light to avoid the crashing damage, the only spot he hit Kizaru was on the arm when Kizaru blocked and then pushed Kizaru to the ground. No damage would have occurred except maybe Kizaru getting an arm bruise at the most.
G3 Luffy overpowered Fujitora and Luffy used his strongest attack to date on Cracker, he wasn't able to land any kong organs (rapid fire kong guns) and stuff and Cracker is exceptionally fast. Anyway just raw gravity won't stop cracker, cracker isn't a mid tier, Ishoo would have to do stuff like throw meteors at Cracker who can avoid them and his biscuit soldiers can probably repel them (maybe at the expense of a shield that can be reformed)
Meanwhile Kizaru would be getting ganked by a barrage of biscuit soldiers who have powerful sword thrusts.
"Once Marco reaches the limit of his regeneration....."
That's so stupid, holy shit. Marco is a top tier zoan WITH regeneration, regeneration isn't a weakness, it gives him an edge over Kizaru. Kizaru has 100 hp, Marco has 1000+ hp, you can't just go "oh once his regeneration runs out"
Kizaru has NO regeneration, while Kizaru is trying to hurt Marco, Marco will be trying to hurt Kizaru. Marco is literally a Kizaru'ish leveled character, who ALSO has regeneration. Also Marco's durability without his devil fruit is trash? Lol what? He's a zoan so he's a physical fighter, he has intangibility for long ranged attacks, he has flight, he's a top tier, and he without a doubt doesn't have trash durability, that's pure fanfiction, it's just stupid to say.
Marco has taken lasers through his undefended body (no buso or devil fruit active), he's clashed with Akainu, he's had half a face at one point, etc. Marco's durability is arguably stronger than Kizaru even if you take out regeneration, stop making shit up to justify your bias, nothing implies Marco is anything but an absolute tank who also has regeneration, strong physical strength, flight, top tier stats, and intangibility.
A meteor and a few extra pounds isn't doing shit to Jozu:
Ishoo's gravity isn't "oh he can just completely paralyze any top tier he wants", he can't just gravity rush whitebeard and walk up casually to defeat them. Do you honestly think Jozu will have trouble lifting himself? Lol.
Meteors were taken out by Doflamingo and Law on a semi regular basis:
Meteors will be lawled away by Jozu iand Jozu would just slam right through Ishoo like glass.
To Marco naysayers. Someone explain to me how Marco isn't Admiral level based on the grounds of this.
When the Marineford War started with all top tiers on both sides and no official engagements between characters, what is literally the first thing Marco does after the opening sequence?
He goes after Kizaru, and not only that but is the first to start any official fighting between characters. Literally he is the first one to make an official move, and what does he do? He goes after an Admiral in the first minute of war.
Yet he's NOT Admiral level?
Well to be fair Marco could also just be cocky or delusional. After all he is guy who expected to just fly up to Garp and Sengoku and quickly grab Ace without any interference whatsoever. Still I agree that the Marco downplay is bad. I have no issue with people claiming Kizaru or Fujitora could be stronger than Marco that´s absolutely possible.
However what I find ridiculous is when those same people start to claim that Marco is not only weaker than those characters but barely on par with them. Heck some consider him only a high-tier. Like wtf a few years ago we were sitting here debating if Doflamingo is potentially a low top tier (which could still be argued both ways) and now suddenly Marco who is noticably stronger is somehow a high-tier? That´s so disrespectful.
They see Marco get blindsided and think it's a sign of weakness but the same people don't follow that logic when their golden boy Zoro got outright defeated by the yeti cool brothers (marco was only hurt some)
They also try to paint Marco as someone who can only hang on due to regeneration and that anyone can beat him given time despite him being a yonkou first mate who is arguably the strongest of the yonkou first mates + he is a top tier zoan with flight and intangibility.
People like to shit on the whitebeard pirates cuz they got cheated in marineford and they are too stupid to realize that.
All Yonko crews >>> All Yonko > All Admirals > All commanders
Ok let's consider Zoro lost. Then let's also consider Luffy had to flee from Monet, let's consider that Big Mom can't defeat W3 member's, let's consider that the WB Commander's couldn't stop Akainu advancing backed up by fodder Marines, let's consider that Shanks got his arm bitten off by a EB fodder fish that EB Luffy one shotted, let's consider that Snack was recruited by Urouge, let's consider that Sanji been 1 shot by Doflamingo, let's consider that Mihawk is the WSS and therefore stronger than Shanks, let's consider that Big Mom can't fight for longer than a couple of hours before she starts to starve and dies, let's consider that Katakuri is stronger than Perospero and Luffy want to defeat the 2nd son not the first one.
I can increase the amount of examples. Funny is that you are the one who starts criticising and flaming the Zoro fans and we are the ones that are bad.
Consider? He objectively lost.
Also you're just proving my point, I'm not claiming that Yeti Cool Brothers > Zoro, I'm claiming that blindside is exceptionally dangerous for characters, especially when hax is involved. Doflamingo would have lost against Law outright if he couldn't stitch his internals together, that would imply Law could one hit Whitebeard with a free hit.
Marco was only ever hurt by blind sides and was never defeated by it.
Akainu and Marco clashed equally, the whitebeard pirates lining up was symbolic storytelling, it was plot related. Also "fodder", the weakest people there were literally captains at the least, there were likely 100's of vice admirals there. Marco is admiral level, sorry.
Mihawk = Vista
Urouge recruiting Snack was a hypothesis
Like what are you doing? Just insulting me in a weak attempt to win the debate that you're losing and know you're wrong about? Those are just stupid things to say, are you that desperate to beat me and shit on Marco?
I used Zoro as evidence to point out my argument that Marco being hurt by blindsides has no relation to his actual strength at all, especially since he was fine after said attacks. You're just being a little bitch, you should quit this forum if you can't properly debate.
He's a fanboy of a Pedo. That says it all
Did Akainu bleed?No.Did he had scars?No.Did it take him long to recover?No. He said:Haki users,huh?How annoying.He was not injured,just annyoed.He did feel it,but it was like a pitch to him.It was unnamed HAKI attacks,which is like a whole other level of attacks.
It really depends on where Mihawk stands
Why would the difference between Admirals and Yonkou FMs depend on Mihawk?
It was a joke post hahaha
Nice Garp avy btw