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Admirals vs Yonko Commanders

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by Captain Altintop, Aug 4, 2017.

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  1. redrum

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    >his strongest attack
    >air slashes are canonically weaker than melee range attacks
    >statement comes from a random, single panel fodder

    :mjlol
     
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  2. Dunno Well-Known Member

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    I saw Mihawk's stance just before performing the slash, and it wasn't an effective slash. His other slash was stronger and did more damage to the environment. The manga doesn't tell us anything about his slash. A random fodder tells us about it, and he's less credible on the strength of Mihawk's slash than a random reader of the manga, since he know pretty much nothing about Mihawk.

    That slash being Mihawk's strongest slash is about as likely as Pica being stronger than Fujitora.
     
  3. shisuiuchiha5 Well-Known Member

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    just because some random marine fodders call it the World's strongest slash does not make it the strongest attack of mihawk.

    deal with it,it was an unnamed attack too,which means that it was not even close mihawk's strongest attack
     
  4. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    If it actually is the world's strongest slash then it just helps our case. That means it is a slash stronger than anything Shanks can do, since even if he isn't a swordsman, he still uses his sword for slashes.

    It also means my explanation of Jozu's block makes even more sense
     
  5. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    If an admiral had a wide open attack to land on Kizaru, they would make him pay, not do 0 damage.

    If an admiral had a wide open attack from behind on Aokiji, they would make him pay, not do 0 damage.

    If an admiral had Vista backing them up attacking Akainu who doesn't even bother blocking, they would make him pay, not do 0 damage and get called "annoying."

    If an admiral had the entire WB pirates, Jinbe, and Crocodile behind them to just stall 1 admiral, Akainu wouldn't have gotten past in 30 seconds.
     
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  6. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    ^Not necessarily. Characters significantly inferior to admirals withstand Kizaru's lasers. Characters like admirals can withstand Kizaru's lasers easily. That doesn't necessarily suggest that Kizaru is inferior to most Admirals. Simply that admirals have different advantages. Also Zoro is capable of breaking out of Fujitora's gravity without a problem. Who is to say that Admirals can't do something like that? Akainu's firepower is in a different league even compared to most admirals. :p
     
  7. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    No character in the manga has withstood Kizaru’s lasers. If you mean “get hit by it and not die,” well pre skip Luffy withstood a magma fist from the manga. His lasers have still gone through everything he’s shot at. And Aokiji fought Akainu for 10 days straight. Aokiji is in Akainu’s league, especially if you rank Marco in the admirals league for landing a few kicks.
     
  8. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    That is what withstand means possibly somewhat less exaggerated. Withstanding =/= tanking. Aokiji is in Akainu's league in combined skills. Not necessarily in firepower. :p
     
  9. Erkan12 DB and OP Expert

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    I've seen people arguing that Shanks stopped Akainu's attack because it was for Coby. Yet, the same people denies the fact that Mihawk's attack was for Whitebeard, yet Jozu stopped it.

    I will deal with it once you prove that Mihawk showed a greater attack than that, and I will deal with it once you prove someone disagreed with that claim in the manga that it wasn't Mihawk's strongest attack. I will deal it once you prove that Mihawk actually uses named attacks.
     
  10. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    You can't use the word "withstood" for "survived," it can mislead people. And most people in this manga don't die anyway.

    John Giant withstood a WB quake. Pre Skip/Pre Gear Luffy withstood an attack from Aokiji. Actually, pre skip Luffy has withstood attacks from every admiral, even Sengoku. Characters have withstood attacks from Magellan if surviving is the only requirement. It doesn't mean all of a sudden "characters significantly weaker than X have withstood Aokiji/WB attacks."

    Kizaru is a marine, he's supposed to arrest pirates, and he usually prioritizes that. He has extreme precision, demonstrated when he shot a key from a mile away. If Kizaru wanted those SNs dead, they'd be dead. That's the most important thing here. Kizaru's offense has had a 100% hit rate thus far (minus the submarine), and everybody that he hit has felt it, from Marco to WB. We have absolutely no reason to doubt his offense, we've literally never seen it fail if a shot got off. Marco regened from that laser spam, but he was basically annihilated with all the holes going through him.
     
  11. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    Every swordsman that isn't a one off character has named attacks. All of the admirals have named attacks. The yonkou have named attacks. Zoro has named attacks. The main character has named attacks. 90% of the people that are in this manga have named attacks. Characters even have named attacks for things like cooking.

    Mihawk didn't care when Jozu deflected his attack. Every other strong character has had a significant reaction when their attack is blocked or something unexpected happens. Mihawk proceeds to cut an iceberg in half from a distance while attacking Luffy, when earlier his "strongest slash" didn't do nearly as much damage to the surrouding environment.
     
  12. Mr. Good vibes ZZZZZ

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    Why is this old thread still open when it's consensus was reached more than half a year ago?
    @Marcelle.B
     
  13. Seraphoenix Withering away

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    WB didn't use one named attack. Guess he was holding back at MF.

    What consensus? It never resolved into one.
     
  14. DiscoZoro20 Ōka Shichibukai

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    Well as he said "swordsman". And it is true. Look at every single serious swordsmanship battle in OP and you will notice they all have named attacks, transformations or other gimmicks. All we´ve seen from Mihawk so far is him swinging his sword. And at a level that is only top tier by pre-skip standards so we will definitely see much more from him.
     
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    The strongest swordsman we've seen, namely Mihawk, Rayleigh, Kizaru, Vista and Fujitora never used named sword attacks (Fuji's was in combination with his fruit). So perhaps it's only the lower level swordsman that use named attacks?

    I'm sure Mihawk has far more to show, but I don't agree that because some people have named moves that he should too. I can live in a world where he has more powerful attacks than shown at MF. They don't have to be named.
     
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    The thing is none of the characters you mentioned and haven´t shown named attacks were fighting seriously. They were just clashing swords. Once it is a fully fledged multi-chapter battle with lots of focus swordsmen usually start dishing out named attacks. I´m sure it will be the same for Mihawk, wait and see.
     
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    Withstands however also incapacitated even though his character has no techniques used against him prior to that in that arc. That is significantly different than Pre Time Skip Luffy who withstands leagues of techniques from multiple arcs and is still not incapacitated from Kizaru's lasers. To be fair Luffy's defense is amazing. However other pre time skip supernova tier characters also withstand Kizaru's lasers. Urouge, Drake, Apoo, and Hawkins all withstand techniques from Kizaru in that they're not incapacitated from those techniques and seem to stand up before Kizaru can capture them. Also if it can be argued that Luffy's defense is amazing in that a significantly battle worn Pre Time Skip Luffy can withstand techniques from all Admirals then what is up with all the flack that you're aiming at Lord Katakuri for a fully healed Post Time Skip Luffy withstanding techniques from him? I'm not arguing against Kizaru's accuracy and ability for his techniques to pierce other characters. I'm arguing that Kizaru's lasers lack offense in comparison to other Admirals in that they're techniques that are a lot easier to withstand than most other techniques from Admirals. :p
     
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    In the meantime we will have to go with what has been shown. Namely that the best swordsmen we've seen do not use named moves.

    Moreover Luffy for instance has names for weak attacks like jet pistol. Surely Mihawk would have a name for the iceberg cutter? He did what Zoro did but from a distance and Zoro's was named.
     
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    except he is
     
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  20. Erkan12 DB and OP Expert

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    Whitebeard doesn't have a named attack.

    We didn't see a named attack from Sengoku or Garp, were they holding back against Blackbeard, Prime Chinjao and Marco?

    Rayleigh didn't use a named attack on Kizaru, was he holding back?

    Marco didn't use a named attack on Kizaru, Aokiji and Akainu, was he holding back? Vista didn't use a named attack on Akainu was holding back too?

    Law's final and his strongest attack on Vergo wasn't a named attack. Ryuma's Dragon cutting slash wasn't a named attack.

    There isn't a rule such as ''if you don't use a named attack then it's not your strongest attack.''

    You can easily see the gigantic ice packs that bouncing back from the ground due to Mihawk's strongest slash.



    To say that Mihawk used a stronger attack against Luffy is nothing but an empty claim. Manga already said that the attack he used on Whitebeard was the strongest.
     
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    I mean you can disagree if you want that is fine with me. It´s only a trivial matter anyway since we both already agreed that Mihawk more than likely has more to offer. Mihawk not naming the iceberg cutter could actually be an indicator that he has a much higher ceiling than we can imagine but that´s just speculation for now.
     
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    The manga said nothing. Stop lying.
     
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    Do you have a better source? If you don't have it, then stop lying.
     
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  24. TheWiggian #AdmiralsIncorporated

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    This shit is like a 53 pages long Mihawk vs Shanks thread.

    It went from Commanders vs Admirals to Mihawk is not the WSS and his unnamed attacks.
     
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    @ superstars

    "You're not getting it."

    I get what you're trying to say. However I'm arguing that titles changing based on temporary nerfedness doesn't make sense. Use other characters as examples using same arguments. Mihawk's title of world's greatest swordsman doesn't somehow not apply if his toes are temporarily broken and therefore his foot work isn't on par with usual.

    Using feats of Whitebeard's character doesn't suggest anything because those are feats against non-Yonkou characters. There is no reason to assume that other Yonkou characters wouldn't be able to do the same if not superior. Those Yonkou characters have yet to even match up significantly on screen without being nerfed. Also don't admiral => yonkou fans disagree that Whitebeard's character bests Akainu? :p
     
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    If Kizaru is then that means that Pre Time Skip Supernova ranking characters can withstand techniques from all the Admirals.
     
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    was referring to what you said here about aokiji :/

    tho, i don't think kizaru's very far behind akainu in firepower either, if at all

    they may vary in other areas but their raw destructive power has been portrayed to be about on par with each other

    this even extends to fujitora
     
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    Ah whoops. Even so what proof is there of that? What portrays admirals' techniques as all having the same degree of destructive capabilities? They have a lot of AoE however if Akainu's lava is more potent than Kizaru's lasers then Akainu still has superior firepower to Kizaru. :p
     
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    What SN tanked a Kizaru laser?
     
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    i was mostly talking about aoe :/

    but what feats does akainu's magma have that decisively surpass kizaru's lasers in power?
     
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