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Akainu Using Haki to Kill Ace Would Have Made More Sense

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by DemonDragonJ, May 10, 2018.

  1. DemonDragonJ Hey, Hey, What Can I Do?

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    I think that the idea of Akainu's devil fruit being inherently superior to Ace's made little sense, as there has never been any other instance of one devil fruit being superior to another. I believe that Akainu using haki to kill Ace would have made more sense and also served as a way to foreshadow Rayleigh's explanation of haki to Luffy later and also demonstrating how powerful haki can be.

    What does everyone else say about this? Would Akainu using haki to kill Ace have made more sense?
     
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  2. Soca The Mud and the Oil Super Moderator

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    It wasn't time to introduce haki yet so Oda went the other route I guess. Just like he chose let Kizaru shoot the key in Luffy hand than shoot Luffy.

    fucking Marineford....
     
  3. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    He was using Haki. Oda just didn't colour Haki at this time
     
  4. Samehadaman Well-Known Member

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    He did use haki, can't kill a logia with simple magma regardless of what the element is. Oda just didn't always make it black hardening back then, so it's not visually obvious.

    See for example how in the same fight when Aokiji was stabbed by the bisento and another character commented it had haki, there was no visual clue the haki was there. Same when Akainu got the haki hits from the commanders. The black paint just wasn't a thing in the manga before.

    The comment on magma vs fire doesn't conflict with having used haki, regardless of what the interpretation is. Personally I think it was meant symbolically, like my fire is hotter than yours,but even if it was an actual elemental advantage between DF users it doesn't mean Akainu wouldn't have to use haki on top of it to touch real Ace body. Can't touch a logia without haki or another ability that bypasses intangibility.
     
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  5. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    yeah, all true but still when 2 people have Haki with the same power Magma>Fire

    Akainu's Haki was better and his DF too. so no chance for Ace
     
  6. TheWiggian World's Strongest

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    Fact remains that he is dead. Doesn't matter anymore how. Let him R.I.P.
     
  7. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    no it's not time yet. I don't know why but Oda said there will be some kind of flashback about Ace in Wano. May be related to Marco
     
  8. TheWiggian World's Strongest

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    Doesn't matter to me. It will just end in a sad story how Ace died in the end despite being so full of life.
     
  9. redrum

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    the first rule of marineford is we do not talk about marineford

    the second rule of marineford is we do not talk about marineford
     
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  10. Kishido Damaged Reputation

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    Or you know Ace made his body solid on purpose or him jumping in between to take the punch would have done jackshit as logia
     
  11. TheOmega Real Nigga

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    I still think it's bullshit that Ace got his whole back blown the fuck out lol
     
  12. White Wolf Super Moderator

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    Same with Garp when Luffy punched him, we know he ''disabled'' his CoA, but times were different back then.
     
  13. J★J♥ Vento Aureo

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    So Luffy vs Enel never happened ? and Zoans don't exist ?
     
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  14. savior2005 Well-Known Member

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    Don't worry Guys. Oda will have the Retcon statement when he has Akainu magmafist Sabo.
     
  15. ~Avant~ Eveningstar

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    I thought of a really funny yo momma joke
     
  16. Aduro Definitely not a villain.

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    It would have made more sense if he punched through Luffy's face as well as Ace's chest.
     
  17. Louis-954 Well-Known Member

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    Nani?? :geg

    Hie Hie > Yuki Yuki
    Buki Buki > Supa Supa
    Ton Ton > Kilo Kilo

    Oda said so himself in an SBS.
     
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  18. DemonDragonJ Hey, Hey, What Can I Do?

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    Yes, I completely forgot about those instances; thank you very much.
     
  19. HaxHax

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    Akainu did use haki. "Magma burning Fire" was just Akainu's cheeky way of saying that he (magma) can burn ace (fire) - because he's using haki.

    Just like Kizaru doesn't actually kick at the speed of light. Kizaru is light, so whatever speed he kicks at can be considered "the speed of light".

    It's just a bit of banter to spice things up.
     
  20. Edward Teach Well-Known Member

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    Haki was definitely used.
     
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    Why? Ace is a Haki user too, it would mean that Akainu's Haki is too strong that he can one-shot another decent Haki user, it would mean that Akainu had the strongest Haki feat in the manga, just no. Admirals would always been a DF powerhouse first, then a Haki user.
     
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  22. Edward Teach Well-Known Member

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    LOOL
     
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    The whole scene of Ace dying was always icky, and a lot of people hated it, regardless of any scientific facts explaining what exactly happened. The foremost official statement of "magma burns hotter than fire" or something will forever be bull though, EVEN if that too can be scientifically explained.

    It's reverse-JoJo: I believe it, but it's bullshit!

    And the whole haki situation is commonly felt to be a bit hokey and weird and not really well thought out during Marineford, and then you have people believing haki had been conjured up from the very first chapter where Shanks gives a cute seadevil the CoO stare.

    It's things like these that tell me, atleast, that Oda too is only human and sometimes throws shit at a wall and sees what sticks, we see it all the time in these fantasy stories.
     
  24. TheOmega Real Nigga

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    Nah it's that magma is thick and can smother fire, thus making it go out, despite being on fire itself.

    Ace most likely didn't have CoA.

    Akainu + Haki means he's hitting Ace even if Logia

    Akainu + Magma means he's gonna Naturally smother Ace since Ace is legitimately Fire

    Same way being Wet Naturally makes Crocodile Solid, same way being Rubber Naturally makes Enel Solid, same say Magma Naturally makes Fire Solid.

    So Magma + Haki + Higher Tier + Newly Freed Seastone Prisoner = a fucked up Ace
     
  25. TheWiggian World's Strongest

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    Ace had CoA it was lately confirmed during his novel. Problem is niggas wanted him to be as powerful as admirals with his DF and haki, which he clearly wasn't. Akainu fisting him just provides the proof for it.
     
  26. TheOmega Real Nigga

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    I never saw him use CoA in the Manga.

    Ace was close to it. He might have been as strong as Marco, we don't know since he was being held captive & just broke outta some seastone so we didn't get to see him going in fully rested, but even then he was performing really well.

    I think Sabo right now has surpassed Ace. So I peg him at roughly around Admiral level
     
  27. TheWiggian World's Strongest

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    Ace's novel written by Oda confirms him having CoA.

    I don't see how he was not performing at full power if he haven't done anything exhausting the whole time in prison.

    Sabo pre TS should've been equal to Ace as they've been portrayed that way. Current Sabo is miles ahead already.
     
  28. TheOmega Real Nigga

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    Same way Luffy was weak when in captivity and being exposed to seastone makes you weak AF.

    Ace and Sabo are not 100% Equals. Ace was smaller by a tiny gap. I'm sure over the years that gap only increased. I believe Dressrosa Sabo was equal to pre TS Ace and I believe NOW Mera Mera no Mi Sabo is stronger. And plus he's actually got COA Haki
     
  29. TheWiggian World's Strongest

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    And when the seastone is removed he is just like always. Also Ace have never shown the same affinity towards seastone weakness like Luffy.

    Ace being 2 years ahead of someone who was more or less equal portrayed to him at the same age is bad writing.

    Not that iam really interested in debating their powerlevel in the first place but i always viewed them more or less equal which was shown. Basically Mera Sabo is slightly weaker than what Ace would've been post TS thanks to the better DF mastery.
     
  30. charles101 Well-Known Member

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    Didn't you play pokemon? :v Earth > Fire.
     
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