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All Might's Decision(Manga Spoilers)

Discussion in 'My Hero Academia' started by Wosu, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. Wosu That's lovely...

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    We All know All Mightu had to choose between Mirio and Deku to pass on OFA.

    And he also was to the ideology of being the symbol of peace and being that Pillar that holds society in tact and what not, I think he was the creator of that? So along with that Ideology, Mirio would have 1000% pushed that ideal of his.

    Mirio's quirk + All might and how similar to all might he is, he(Mirio) would have held up to that ideal even better than All Might. So why didn't All might push for that?
     
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    Because he met Deku before he met Mirio.
     
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    That mostly i guess

    Tho i had forgotten that detail tbh

    He also probably wanted to share the wealth a little...

    I mean, why give a powerhouse like Mirio a quirk he REALLY doesnt need to carry him to greatness as opposed to making a useless quirk less kid the strongest thing ever to draw breath? Thus bolstering the Top Hero ranks even further.
     
  4. Kor Well-Known Member

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    I mean that is pretty much the reason for Mirio turning down OfA, even if he didn’t believe such a thing was actually real. He didn’t want to leave Deku quirkless.

    All Might did more good by giving the world two heroes instead of a literal god who society would be even more dependent on and become even weaker.
     
  5. BreadBoy #1 Kale Fan

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    One thing that's been showcased by the current state of the manga is that while things were pretty nice while All Might was around, there were two things that happened as a result of it.

    The first is that the current set of heroes grew to depend on him. The only one who actively tried to continue growing in strength was Endeavor, but everyone else left the concept of peace to All Might and followed in his footsteps. Now that he's gone, everyone is scrambling around desperately trying to figure out what to do.

    The second is that because of how carefree society came, many people were left in the dust if they weren't good innocent victims who needed saving. Shigaraki, Twice, Nemoto, and the 3 fodders Tamaki fought are all shining examples of this. They grew to despise the smiling society they grew up in because they were rejected by it, and nobody came to save them.

    This is where it would've been a bad idea to leave it all to Mirio. Sure, he would be practically unstoppable, but what happens if he dies? Society would be even MORE dependant than they are now, and villains would probably be even larger in number the longer this symbol of peace tradition carried on.

    Ultimately, having a group of incredibly strong and diverse heroes is better, because it allows them to reach out to more people, and in a variety of ways that All Might couldn't before.
     
  6. Soljah Super Ghost

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    Ya all might crippled both the heroes and Villians in a sense. He was so dominating for all those years it really didn't push for growth. Only the man endeavor tried to keep up. Mirio would have been a great choice but deku is just as good his heart has been in the right place since day 1.
     
  7. lol 4th dimension reiatsu Well-Known Member

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    The manga seems to be going towards the pillar being several people instead of just one, because the weight is yoo much and it makes for a fragile peace.
     
  8. Tenma The Inferno

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    I don't think its fair to blame All Might's society for not saving those guys. Heroes are law enforcement intended to deal with physical tasks beyond the ability of standard cops/firefighters, not a catch-all 'do-gooder' occupation. While people like Twice, Nemoto and Shiggy should have been saved that's not the job of heroes but other social services and policies. Plainly put someone like All Might is completely unqualified to save someone like Twice. It is the job of policymakers to ensure the marginalized are given an avenue of expression and are encouraged to seek help, not someone with a diploma in beating the shit out of people.

    And Deku's just one guy, take him away and there would have been a group of incredibly strong heroes like Bakugou, Todoroki, Inasa, Hawks etc. It is true All Might left his generation somewhat complacent, but he also left the next generation absolutely itching to surpass him.
     
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  9. Xiammes Into Free Supporting Staff

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    Nah, after getting to know them, I would have picked Bakugo over Mirio.

    Mirio is great, however he is more like a really good emulator. Runs at a higher resolution, new perks, irons out what are considered flaws. But Mirio would not have been a perfect symbol of piece, just a near perfect emulation. There was a point in the manga where a scared and beaten up child runs into a heroes arms asking for help, she is running away from a known villain that the heroes are investigating. Mirio and Deku are both scared shitless that this is happening. Mirio in order to not throw off the investigation agree's to let the girl go back to the villain while Deku does not and questions the entire situation.

    You can argue if they made the right decision, however if you ask what would All Might do? He wouldn't have let the girl go back with the villain. Hell, not even Shigaraki would have let her go back with him if he were in that situation. That is a fundamental key difference between Mirio and Deku, a big one. Mirio is wracked with guilt over that situation, he could have stopped Shigaraki, he could have been more heroic but he decided to do the safe option.

    Mirio is a good third place pick, assuming Bakugo finally wrests control over his mouth and temper.
     
  10. Soljah Super Ghost

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    I agree with you but to the same token would all might have done the same to someone "Innocent"? Remember they didn't have solid proof and bad enough eri went along with overhaul when pressured. Mirio had the same instinct as deku but was playing it safe. It could easily of been on the news famous hero harassing civillian etc if they just took her.
     
  11. Xiammes Into Free Supporting Staff

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    I mean look at the optics, crying, beaten and bruised child runs from "father" into a heroes arms. One of the heroes is completely okay with sending the child back to their parent, the other is asking questions about what the hell is going on. Regardless if All Might knew if Overhaul was a villain, ten times out of ten he wouldn't have had Mirio's response.

    Even from not blowing your cover point, a hero not being suspicious and investigating is suspicious in of itself.
     
  12. Tenma The Inferno

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    The Eri incident struck me as ooc and bad writing tbh, like you said the less suspicious (also decent) thing to do would have been to question him. I remember alot of us complaining how incompetent and naive Mirio came off in that scene, which probably wasn't Horikoshi's intention.
     
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    I think it was intentional, just a small scene to show the real difference between Deku and Mirio, Deku's instincts prevailed in the situation. Just showing that Deku was indeed the right choice for All Might.
     
  14. Tenma The Inferno

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    It wasn't reallt subtle. Either Mirio

    1) really thought Eri was Overhaul's beloved daughter in a normal relationship
    2) figured Eri was being abused and/or exploited by Overhaul but just didn't care

    both of which are just :drake
     
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    Its more like he panicked and didn't want to jeopardize the mission. Remember, he fights by making predictions, every attack and movement in a fight is planned out before hand. He got thrown off hard by running into Overhaul, defaulted to not wanting to jeopardize the raid, Deku defaulted back to his hero instincts. He knew Overhaul was abusing her, but he chose the mission over the heroic thing.

    Its not a super wrong decision, many people agree that conducting the raid was more important. The scene absolutely was designed to make Deku look better. I wouldn't say subtle, but its a small detail that can mean the world of difference.
     
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    I thought the underlying point was that both of them knew shit was up but they didn't have any evidence/didn't wanna reveal their plans to him?
    He obviously knew something was up otherwise he wouldn't comment on Overhaul's murderous intent here.


    And during the entire confrontation, he wanted to get out so they don't end up jeopardizing Sir's investigation while Deku was more in the moment and was concerned with saving Eri more than the mission.
     
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    Oh, I'm not blaming All Might. But what I am saying is that society in a sense started to warp due to this era of peace. People left a bloodied Shiggy to rot because they assumed a hero would save him. Twice was left to go crazy because a selfish person like him isn't considered worth saving. A guy like Nemoto is discriminated against by society for having a quirk that is really manipulative, an even worse case than what happened to Shinso. Crystal dude was abused by corporate scumbags for his crystals, and when he got disposed of for having worthless crystals, he had nobody to turn to. A mentally disturbed guy with a dangerous quirk like being able to eat and digest anything SHOULD be given mental help, but is instead pushed away as a pariah by society, causing them to become antagonistic and become even worse due to their mental illnesses (Tabe).

    And it's true, in a case like Twice, All Might wouldn't be able to do anything. But then, perhaps then the term "hero" is an improper term to then use, because as you say, they're just glorified law enforcement. They're not moral arbiters of justice, they're military personnel with celebrity status. When you have a bunch of people call themselves hero like it's just a job title and completely forsake what a hero is meant to be (Deku is an example of what a hero should be), it's no wonder you have a growing group of people that call themselves villains, because the term villain isn't necessarily being a bad guy, but just a guy going against the status quo (as evidenced how people preach that even using your quirk to save people illegally makes you apparently as bad as murderers, THANKS TSUYU).
     
  18. Tenma The Inferno

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    I would say it's not a hero's place to be a moral arbiter of peace. A hero should not be simultaneously soldier, policeman, firefighter, doctor, therapist, activist and social justice warrior. That's just an inefficient allocation of responsibility. Heroes are trained to be able to fight local crime and to be able to perform physical rescue tasks. A hero is absolutely not expected to be able to save everyone from everything, they exist to protect people from some things. There are other departments and groups that exist to service people like Nemoto, Twice and Shigaraki- childcare authorities for Shiggy, social welfare for crystal dude, anti-discrimination education for Nemoto, psychiatrists for Twice. Japan's government has a responsibility to design laws and policy such that they aren't marginalized and can fight for their rights. The stigma and helplessness these individuals suffer is entirely the fault and responsibility of these groups, it is simply not in the purview of the heroes.

    Of course, if a hero can help those individuals, he should, but that's less a hero thing and more a 'decent human being' thing. A hero's power to influence such things is limited to the individual, social and economic policies are what can bring about actual change. If you want to end quirk discrimination, start an activist movement, try to bring about policies and awareness, et cetera. Of course, a hero can join or start these movements, but that's in their capacity as a good and responsible citizen, not as a hero.

    If the issue is just the name, then the name should simply be changed to supercops or some shit (though at this point that just seems really petty and kind of a laughable solution if Hori is attempting any sort of legitimate social commentary), not unreasonably and arbitrarily changing the scope beyond what is reasonable for a job. If Deku is what a 'true hero' is like, then it in no way should be a job. Different occupations and acitvist groups that have different responsibilities and forms of protection exist for a reason.. If Hori thinks that the stigma against mental illness, poverty and social discrimination are because the cops are too good, I don't even know what to say.
     
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    Ah, but see, that's sort of the problem. Society has fallen back on letting heroes play the role of being the "good" people. It's the heroes job to be the good guys. Yet society does nothing and lets these people suffer. Even though the role of a hero in it's job description is basically glorified law enforcement. But because of their title hero, people fall back on letting them be the moral arbiters of justice, meanwhile the civilians turn a blind eye and say "well it's not my problem if a person is suffering, that's a heroes job."

    It's not trying to push blame onto heroes. More so, it's showcasing how society has twisted itself. After all, like you said, there SHOULD be programs for people like Shiggy, and people like Twice and Nemoto. Yet that help never came. They suffered and these parts of society were never there because everybody thinks a hero should be the one to act. The entire basis of doing good is entirely weighed towards being a hero, a job description not everyone strives for. It's a moral decay.

    We see this in some of the vigilantes chapters, when a guy turns into a mantis monster against his will. After being transformed, he can't access his house, he can't even use the toilet. And instead of everyone feeling empathetic to his sudden change in life, everybody shrugs their shoulders and goes "so? Just relocate to the giant part of town," even though it wasn't his fault he turned into a monster.
     
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    I think blaming all of society's woes on a name- the fact that heroes are called 'heroes' and not 'supercops' or something would make any themes or commentary difficult to take seriously. The blame for social irresponsibility goes to terrible governance and stupid/uncaring people. It is true that at this point people simply don't take any other life-saving/protecting industry besides heroism seriously...but the word 'hero' was a catalyst at best to far more fundamental problems, you can't solve this just by fucking around with the hero structure.

    If they are going to fall back and all of a sudden activists, doctors, therapists and social services dump everything onto heroes' back (and have the gall to turn on them because Stain was an insufferable ingrate who demanded even more from heroes) because heroes are called 'heroes', that's just down to them being dicks lacking moral fibre or compassion. Basically, the name 'hero' might have something to do with it, but with the level of ineptitude and social irresponsibility on display it is at best an excuse for an already morally repugnant society to care even less than usual. A name is a name it can only do so much that isn't already inherent in society.

    At this point, All Might being a symbol of peace etc, or even just heroism in general, has a peripheral role to society's problems. Basically, the solution has almost nothing to do with them, but rather improving and training the other relevant departments to become actually competent and passionate. As well as the government just getting their shit together and properly sorting out the hot mess that is their society, and properly educate the public on the limits of a hero's profession. Incentivize corporations and businesses to employ the marginalized. The last thing we need right now is more heroes/pillars, we need more doctors, lawyers, activists and for such professions to be understood as important and valuable. Instead of becoming a hero, Deku could have become a doctor or psychologist (he showed a knack for it when he solved all of Todo's problems in one talk) and still saved countless people, but he saw no value in anything of that sort.

    Well, that's the common sense thing to me anyway, but Hori's probably going to come in with some Stain BS about how 'heroes should be more heroic' and have everyone be All Might/Deku despite that having little bearing/relevance in actual society :defeat
     
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    I think we're sort of in agreement here, I think I just didn't word myself correctly. When I was talking about the word "Hero", I meant that because people think of heroes in a moral sense, and being a hero is a job with severe legal issues around it, the motivation for moral action within the non-hero society is reduced. That's not placing blame on any of the heroes, a lot of them try their best, but it's a problem within society as they tend to fall back on many of their issues as something heroes should solve, especially with how many of the villains aren't really evil, but just damaged individuals who need help.

    Best example I can think of this is when the students wanted to rescue Bakugou and Tsuyu said that if they acted out on their own, their actions would be no better than those of a villains. In that case, Tsuyu was trying to reduce heroically moral behavior and promote inaction, as it's a "heroes" job to do good. It's a side effect of the promotion of heroes, but not necessarily the heroes fault. It's societal decay.

    I'm pretty sure we're in agreement, I was just dumb in explaining myself. :zaru
     
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    Tsuyu does deserve shit for the statement, she is right in some sense. Untrained vigilantism can cause more trouble then you are trying to solve. Look at Gentle, he had done hero school(flunked), he tried to save someone and got the person he was saving and the hero trying to rescue them hurt.

    My Hero needs good Samaritan laws, but its understandable they would be hesitant with everyone having super powers as untrained and unlicensed do gooders can cause a lot of harm. However morel decay has happened, Shiggy was completely ignored with people saying a hero should be by to fix it, no one spend the time of their day to help a child. You don't need super powers to bring a kid to a police station.

    Society is super twisted.

    Stain's vain goals are akin to a child lashing out that the world doesn't work to his idealism. They were pure childish drivel, but his idealism resonated with a lot of people. People who do not like the current hero society, people who don't like the current society. Shiggy's goal and the problem he wishes to tackle is the much darker underbelly, the world where the world is decaying morally(heh, just noticed the connection to this and his power). He doesn't just cast fault on heroes(who naturally try to force a higher standard on themselves) but also casts issue on the civilians who are equally as guilty for this behavior and inaction.

    Stain and Shiggy had a common point that they both hate the present, but beyond that they are both tired of people's inaction. However Shiggy was still a sheltered manchild and couldn't connect with him. If Stain were to get out of prison, I doubt he would hate Shiggy as he current exists, he might even have to reevaluate his position that people don't change.
     
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    Let's just and agree and be happy that in RL police take crying children away from their suspicious parents all the time...

    Oh wait
     
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    I felt that the way the manga is going is that there should no longer be one pillar of peace, but a plethoral of one.

    The story is similar to in the DC comics "Justice League" cartoon where they tried making Superman the one true hero, and all the countries took down their nuclear weapons. However when Aliens struck, they could only rely on Superman, Superman couldn't do it, so he enlisted the help of others, and badabing there you get the Justice League.

    It would be kinda repetitive if Deku became the pillar, they way they focus on the cycle it leads me to believe Deku will break it by forming a team of equals.
     
  26. Wosu That's lovely...

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    You think All might realized the faults of his ideals so much to think that far ahead?
     
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    You know, it's funny you mention Shiggy and not having an issue with heroes. Now that I look back at the scenes he's been in, he's never really shown disrespect to heroes, aside from All Might. He complimented Aizawa during their fight and thought he was cool, and after reports started to flood in with people pissed at UA, we see him watching it and say to Bakugou how it's unfair that UA is being treated that way when they're the only ones trying to solve the issue. He even seems to get super serious when warning Deku about getting in his way, as if he'd rather avoid that fate.

    I don't think so, but I think of it more as a happy accident that took place, a decision that he made that unintentionally would be of better benefit than what he had been planning to do.
     
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    All might himself said that he met Deku before having the chance of meeting Mirio, but he was aware of his existente. So first comes first takes pretty mich.
     
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    This also I’m sure All Might was hit right in the feels when he saw how badly Deku wanted to become a hero even tho he didn’t have a quirk. He felt sympathy and could empathize with him.
     
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    Still, Toshi initially turned him away. It wasn't until he saw Izuku's hero's heart and desire to save others in action that he changed his tune and chased down Deku to tell him that he too could be a hero.
     
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