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Anti-Monitor (DC Comics) vs. Destiny-Verse

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Catalyst75, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:03 PM.

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  1. Imakarum Mirabilis Final Zoalord

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    What does it matter you dope? The ALE is multiversal and mind controls everyone.

    Key words here: MIND CONTROL.
     
  2. OMGMAN Active Member

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    There is no means of hope or freedom for the ale to work on as there is own cold logic, nothing like that would work when there is nothing to convince them of.

    Mind controls those with freedom and hope and optimism, key words
     
  3. Imakarum Mirabilis Final Zoalord

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    And yet it worked on the Black Racer, the New God of Death.

    Not someone’s who’s exactly free and hopeful and optimistic now is he?
     
  4. Catalyst75 Well-Known Member

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    The Vex have the Pattern, and they also chose to worship the Darkness. The Anti-Life Equation would strip them of all of that, just as the Taken power is used to make Vex subservient to Oryx.
     
  5. OMGMAN Active Member

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    I believe he took control by anchoring him to a sentient host, Not like the Vex who has none of those things.
     
  6. OMGMAN Active Member

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    The Darkness is beyond such understanding. That is no better than with Vex having a programmed Algorithm.

    Taken powers are no mind control, it is total infection of one’s existence
     
  7. Imakarum Mirabilis Final Zoalord

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    That’s not what happened dingus.

    Black Racer got straight up mind controlled.

    Vex ain’t gonna do any better.
     
  8. OMGMAN Active Member

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    If they do not have any semblance of freedom, it is not working.

    It is not like the Black Racer is like the Vex
     
  9. Imakarum Mirabilis Final Zoalord

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    No the Black Racer could pretty thoroughly kill the entire Vex easily.

    He’s faster than all of them and could instantly kill them all.

    And Darkseid took control of him. His power trumps the Vex’s. Easily.
     
  10. OMGMAN Active Member

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    The Vex are nigh unkillable as they do not corpereally exist in the universe like mortals do.

    If his powers have specific requirements then no they would not effect him, besides highest Vex Axis minds would beat him
     
  11. Catalyst75 Well-Known Member

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    The Anti-Monitor is the one who enslaved the Black Racer, though the back-story for Darkseid reveals Yuga Khan could use the Anti-Life Equation to reanimated the dead Old Gods and use them in battle.
     
  12. Imakarum Mirabilis Final Zoalord

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    Doesn’t matter, the Black Racer himself is a cosmic entity who can just kill them instantly. His speed plus firepower plus hax fucks the Vex over badly.

    And considering Darkseid has an incorporeal form that can casually destroy the multiverse? Good luck trying to use anything on him.
     
  13. OMGMAN Active Member

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    Still not going to be enough with high tier characters.

    The Vex can just decide whether he exists or not.
     
  14. Imakarum Mirabilis Final Zoalord

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    Yes Protozoa can decide what an abstract being that’s beyond their comprehension can exist or not :facepalm

    Do you even know what an abstract is?
     
  15. OMGMAN Active Member

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    They can understand intangible aspects such as universe or philosophies which have real impact
     
  16. Catalyst75 Well-Known Member

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    Do not corporeally exist...

    The radiolarian fluid is the Vex. They're a protozoa hive mind. That's very much a corporeal existence for the Vex.

    And no, the Vex Axis Minds would not be able to beat the Anti-Monitor, not before he erases them with antimatter or enslaves them with the Anti-Life Equation.
     
  17. Imakarum Mirabilis Final Zoalord

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    And that compares to an entity that’s incorporeal, can destroy the multiverse and can’t be comprehended by non-godly brings? :facepalm

    Also way to dodge my question.
     
  18. OMGMAN Active Member

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    We don't even know how they came to be as they came from the unknown, they exist outside known reality, Panoptes is more than enough to hold his own in a stalemate.
     
  19. Catalyst75 Well-Known Member

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    That wouldn't make them immune or exempt to being affected by the Anti-Life Equation. Crota being tricked to let them into the Throne World was only the first documented encounter with the Vex, not proof they exist outside of known reality.

    Hell, it is implied that Vex structures billions of years old exist on Venus in the game because what the Traveler did to Venus caused structures from a different Venus to appear.

    In other word, they are most likely part of the known reality in the setting.

    You've never had proof Panoptes ever had the level of power you have claimed him to be. In the case of the Anti-Monitor, this is a being comprised of anti-matter that devours regular matter with ease, and you have no evidence of Panoptes being able to resist destruction by contact with anti-matter.

    The Anti-Monitor is known for devouring universes, and was able to kill a full-power Darkseid. During "Crisis On Infinite Earths", the Anti-Monitor stale-mated the Spectre at the time before Creation began, when the Spectre was using so much power that he saw worlds that never existed and never will, and shapes and colors and patters undreamed of by God himself.

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    Meanwhile, it took only two Guardians to destroy Panoptes. There's no logical reason to believe that the Anti-Monitor could not halt Panoptes' movements or his powers when Osiris and his Reflections alone could do just that, that the Anti-Life Equation simply wouldn't turn Panoptes to the Anti-Monitor's will, or that the power to destroy entire Universes with waves of antimatter wouldn't erase Panoptes and the Infinite Forest entirely.
     
  20. John Wayne Well-Known Member

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    An Ant colony beating ALE, this is the dumbest thing I've seen this year.
     
  21. Blocky Tongs Man

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    I guess the ants are multiversal level then.

    Clearly Darkseid truly got something wrong.
     
  22. OMGMAN Active Member

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    All I saw was "a" universe being destroyed, how does that give him an advantage even over someone like prime Oryx.

    We know they came from a different reality via book of sorrows.

    @iwandesu @MusubiKazesaru could you please lock?
     
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  23. Catalyst75 Well-Known Member

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    What?

    The Anti-Monitor was responsible for destroying the entirety of the original DC Multiverse in "Crisis on Infinite Earths", and we saw two Universes meet their end on-panel in the comic. In what reality does that not give the Anti-Monitor an advantage over "prime Oryx", whose best showing involves his Dreadnaught's core being able to destroy a solar system if detonated?
     
  24. OMGMAN Active Member

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    not according to what that page you showed that says the "universe" came to an end around him, so which is it? universal or multiverse, if it is the former then he likely maxes to prime Oryx who can push his own universe inside out.
     
  25. Catalyst75 Well-Known Member

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    So, you willfully chose to miss the point I was making about the Anti-Monitor's power, in favor of nitpicking.

    I am not surprised that you willfully ignore lore and feats from other franchises whenever it suits you, especially in regards to Destiny.

    The Anti-Monitor destroyed the entire DC Multiverse in "Crisis on Infinite Earths", yet you're trying to claim he only "maxes out at Oryx".
     
  26. OMGMAN Active Member

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    it's your own fault for not being consistent in your arguments about whether Anti-Monitor was multiversal or not, I knew he was from the beginning so there was no point of even bringing up that image. So eat your own words hypocrite.

    He doesn't get past Panoptes, that is pretty much it.
     
  27. Sir Jogga Duke of Inanity

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    How fast is this Panoptes?

    I wanna test something
     
  28. OMGMAN Active Member

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  29. Catalyst75 Well-Known Member

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    I was never being inconsistent about my argument, and you still miss the point behind why I brought up that image in the first place.

    So I will repeat what I said: The Anti-Monitor and Spectre were fighting in an time and place before Creation existed, and the Spectre was channeling so much power against the Anti-Monitor that he saw worlds that never existed and never will, "and shapes and colors and patterns undreamt-of even by his master", with the Spectre's master being GOD.

    In other words, the Anti-Monitor directly clashed with God's Wrath, when the Spectre had so much power it made him see things God himself did not dream of.

    Nowhere near fast enough to survive against the Anti-Monitor, and never as fast as what OMGMAN will try to claim of him. A single Guardian could halt it movements, and the most it's ever seen doing offensively is creating simulations of faction enemies to fight for it, and then attempt to delete the main character from the Infinite Forest (a process another Guardian was able to halt).

     
  30. OMGMAN Active Member

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    yes you where, from that one image that he destroyed a universe, not the multiverse, any other points you made was inconsistent to the argument you made.

    Not as slow as Catalyst claims it to be that's for sure, that guardian came out of no where and did not halt it forever as he could barely hold him back. and creating other realities in reaction to failed realities.
     
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