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Argentina senate rejects bill to legalise abortion

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  1. CrownedEagle Knight of Erza

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    Argentina senate rejects bill to legalise abortion

    Lawmakers vote against allowing elective abortion in first 14 weeks of pregnancy


    Argentina’s senate has rejected a bill to legalise abortion in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

    Lawmakers debated for more than 15 hours and voted 38 against to 31 in favour, despite the fact opinion polls showed the bill had strong public support.

    Pressure from the Catholic church prevented its approval, according to female activists who supported the bill. is the homeland of Pope Francis.

    “The church put pressure on senators to vote against the bill,” said Ana Correa, an original member of the #NiUnaMenos (“Not one woman less”) feminist movement that supported the bill.

    The lower house had already passed the measure and President Mauricio Macri had said he would sign it.

    Rejection of the bill means that abortion remains legal only in the case of rape and danger to the life of the woman.

    Mariela Belski, Argentina’s Amnesty International director, said a survey had shown 60% support for the bill, and described its failure as “an unforgivable step backwards”.

    “Lawmakers chose today to turn their backs on hundreds of thousands of women and girls who have been fighting for their sexual and reproductive rights,” Belski said. “All that this decision does is perpetuate the circle of violence which women, girls and others who can become pregnant are forced into.”

    Hundreds of thousands of people, mostly women, braved a cold and rainy night to stand vigil outside the congress building on Wednesday while the votes were counted inside. Despite the final result of the vote, many women said they believed Argentina would have legal abortion eventually.

    “I’m still optimistic. It didn’t pass today, but it will pass tomorrow, it will pass the next day,” said Natalia Carol, a 23-year-old abortion rights supporter. “This is not over.”
    The journalist Silvina Márquez, who joined the crowd outside the congress building early in the afternoon, said: “We might not have a law today, but it is going to happen. Argentina is not going back to this, it is important for the women, especially for the young women. So sooner or later we’ll have an abortion law.”

    “What this vote showed is that Argentina is still a country that represents family values,” the anti-abortion activist Victoria Osuna, 32, told Reuters.

    A nearby group of secondary school students, megaphone in hand, chanted: “Beware, beware, machistas [chauvinists] beware, all Latin America will be feminist.”

    The pope, who remains deeply involved in the politics of his home country, has made no secret of his opposition to the bill. On Monday, the Clarín daily newspaper reported that Francis had asked anti-abortion legislators to pressure fellow lawmakers to reject the bill.

    Despite a recent survey that showed 71% of Argentinians opposed political interference by the church, leading Catholic authorities have spoken out recently against the bill. “This would be the first time a law is passed in democratic Argentina permitting the elimination of a human being by another human,” Monsignor Óscar Ojea, president of Argentina’s synod of bishops, said in a homily at the Basilica of Our Lady of Luján, one of Argentina’s leading pilgrimage sites, last month.

    In a pointed signal, Bishop Ojea and and Cardinal Mario Poli – who succeeded Jorge Bergoglio as archbishop of Buenos Aires after Bergoglio became pope – held a mass on Wednesday at 8pm at Buenos Aires Cathedral while the senators debated the bill.

    Although the law as it stands also permits abortion when there is risk to the woman’s health, few of Argentina’s 23 provinces have implemented this third instance.

    In the city of Rosario, in the province of Santa Fe, where this option has been available since 2012, deaths as a result of complications from clandestine abortions have fallen to zero. Complications related to clandestine abortions are the main cause of death among pregnant women in Argentina.

    “Senators and anti-rights can go to sleep pleased that they saved the lives
    of people who literally speaking do not exist and pleased that they fought
    for women to keep dying,” tweeted Malena Pichot, a well-known comedian and legal abortion activist.

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  2. Dragon D. Luffy of the Stars

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    A few more dead baby boomers and this thing will pass.
     
  3. Orochibuto Well-Known Member

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    As someone who doesnt like feminism (I bring this up because this has been heavily portrayed as a feminism issue) I honestly cant see any logical reason to ban abortion, not by itself at least.

    Lets look at the facts:

    Outlawing abortion as a way to stop abortion:

    Abortion will keep happening outlawed or not. The only difference is that being illegal forces women to do it on the black market, which isnt safe, leading to the death of the mother. In short not only it does not prevents abortion from happening, but it increases death.

    "Okay. Lets have abortion. But not on my taxes man. Not free.":

    It also crumbles under the facts. If we look at abortion as a tax burdening procedure, it costs more tax money to help a family unprepared to have a child, as well as to raise children given in adoption. Obviously mothers that would abort are more likely to give their children in adoption or need social assistance. So in fact, having free abortion should actually save tax money. Unless of course, your country doesnt have social programs, which I doubt is the case.

    If there is a logical argument to outlaw abortion, I have not seen it.
     
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  4. Ignition Matara Dukkah

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    Ugh I live in this country and couldn't hear the end of it. Both pro-life and pro-abortion making a fool of themselves :dead
    What the pro-life don't understand however is that clandestine abortion will continue to exist so they ain't saving any lives here. Really a shame having senators voting against while claiming not having read the project.

    The catholic church also had a major hand here.
     
  5. zeroantizero Well-Known Member

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    That's like saying murder should be legal if serial killers threatened to commit suicide.

    The burden is irrelevant if you believe abortion extinguishes a human life.
     
  6. Orochibuto Well-Known Member

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    If it could be demonstrated beyond doubt that murder being illegal, cause more deaths than if it was legal, then yes, I would support it being legalized.

    To you, maybe. But I have constantly seen many opposers use this as a pragmatic argument to be against it, so I figured it deserved to be addressed.
     
  7. Dragon D. Luffy of the Stars

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    Abortion under three months extinguishes a mindless blob of cells that can't be visible to the naked eye and doesn't feel anything.

    It's not anymore alive than all the spermatozoids you kill when you masturbate.
     
  8. Fruits Basket Fan Well-Known Member

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    I was actually quite surprised....compared to Mexico and other Latin American countries: Argentina is generally more open minded when it comes to LGBT rights and agnosticism/atheism (although it is racist).

    Although, Mexico City is the only place where abortion is legal and paid for by the government in Mexico.
     
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  9. Dragon D. Luffy of the Stars

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    Well let's put this way: they managed to approve abortion legalization in one of the houses of congress.

    In Brazil, they aren't even taking that to congress anymore, because it's pointless. They are way too conservative for that. We are trying to get the Supreme Court to do it, because they were the ones who legalized gay marriage. Meanwhile some congressmen are trying to pass laws so they can weaken the Supreme Court and prevent them from inteferring in conservative agendas.
     
  10. Unlosing Ranger Rebirth and destruction, again and again

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