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Manga Attack on Titan (Shingeki no Kyojin)

ensoriki

Son Ganon

> Eren pretty much destroyed the world because he was a yellow fever incel who didn't want Mikasa to move on and find another man after his death (yes, he really said that), and there was never a deeper meaning behind any of his actions.
Huh?

This seems to be getting repeated is there a different trans showing up?
He destroyed the world for his people. He shared in confidence with his best friend that he wishes Mikasa would care about only him after he dies, but to never tell her that.
In the actual physical world he pushed Mikasa away, and kept his feelings to himself.
 

ensoriki

Son Ganon
Also Ymir is the worst character in AoT.
Fucking spirit enjoyed slavery and abuse and only showed up to fuck the manga.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Ymir in general.
Reminds me of Kaguya.

Imo more than the ending there are some qualms with the journey. For a single chapter I think the ending was fine, but I do feel that the manga's shortcomings present themself earlier.
Isayama does quite a few red herring things, some of them make sense for the overall world, but like whats the point of showing the reader. For instance Historia's pregnancy, sure it makes some sense given what was explained, but in reality it was just a red herring.

Eren's relationship with Mikasa and Armin is somewhat understood but it could've been deeper.
I'll say quite a bit is left implied throughout the series, but that can make things lack the emotional punch of having actually been written out.
 
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Long story short.

The source of the titan powers was a magic worm the first titan Ymir literally stumbles into. To preserve and pass said powers Ymir is chopped and fed to her own daughters (named after the walls).

As a result, all Eldians are connected through the power of Ymir and this magic worm. Ymir remained undying looking for a certain answer, if it was possible to let go of someone you dearly loved.

As a result, she had her eyes trained on Eren and Mikasa. Who likened her devotion to Mikasa. As a result all of Eren's actions for the whole story were the results of Ymir's manipulation to get that answer from Mikasa.

Mikasa for the sake of saving the world kills Eren thus setting him free from Ymir, curing the Eldians of their titan powers because Eren became the source of the power and answering Ymir's question.

The burnt out Eren awakes to lament that he can't be with Mikasa and has no idea why he did what did due to Ymir influencing the whole time.

> Eren can perceive and affect the past, present and future through the Founding Titan. The Titan that killed his mother was actually going to eat Bertholt, but Eren sent her to eat Carla instead, because it wasn't time for Bert to die. So Eren killed his own mother.
> Ymir was actually in love with King Fritz, and was waiting for a proverbial Chosen One in Mikasa.
> Eren's personality shift post-timeskip when he started to become extremely popular was all just a front, he never really changed.
> Eren pretty much destroyed the world because he was a yellow fever incel who didn't want Mikasa to move on and find another man after his death (yes, he really said that), and there was never a deeper meaning behind any of his actions.
> Armin further humiliates Eren by beating him up and saying that she will indeed find another man, and that unlike Eren, he already found his beloved one (Annie).
> Eren apologizes to Armin for everything he has done to him and Mikasa with a, "Yeah... Sorry."
> Everyone who participated in the final battle survives.
> 80% of humanity is wiped out, but war is inevitable.
> Mikasa severs Eren's head, killing him. She proceeds to kiss him and disappears amongst the Titan smoke.
> Annie reunites with her father, Reiner with his parents, Gabi and Falco reunites too.
> There was about to be a conflict immediately once they reunited, but Armin Talk no Jutsu'd them out of it.
> Levi is bound to a wheelchair.
> Historia did indeed get knocked up by Farmer-kun and they get to live happily ever after with their daughter.
> Last panel is Mikasa crying besides a grave and then a bird coming and pecking on her scarf, THE END.
What the hell happend to snk after the timeskip. This seems like an absolute clusterfuck even before the ending
 

Mr Hayk

GodSlayer
Um dude in this same chapter he says he is being disoriented by connection to past and future.
Which frankly makes sense.We know as a child he wanted to be outside the wall, then we know things changed and he wanted to kill titans because they killed his mother. Then we know he was ready to be eaten by Historia.Now we get that he has essentially killed both of his parents.At the point in the story where he is informing them of this he has already had to be part of the loop which means he had to create the same situations that motivated him in the first place.

It's not a twist of a last chapter lol in this *same* chapter Armin brings up the fight where Eren calls Mikasa a slave (and Armin says that Eren is the slave). I think you're grasping at the wrong straws. This chapter is pointing out that Armin was correct. Eren was the one who wasn't free, and he said all of that because he was following a path. The character existed, but this wasn't some Japanese video game where the Protagonist and his group of heroes kills gods and defeats fate/destiny (lol I'm thinking Xenoblade atm).

This chapter is really a resolution where it ties back to things that were already said or observed in the manga. Hell it is literally referencing specific moments xD.

But yes that's the point. I think you're taking the idea that Eren wasn't free as the chapter being a failure.
Eren wasn't free, he gained his freedom in death. Like Erwin before him, Eren had things he himself wanted and in the end he let his own personal desires die so that the others can move forward.
M8 he was literally lying on the floor screaming that he doesn't fucking know. What Mikasa has to do with this, why Mikasa. He had no idea what he was doing. Rumbling was completely controlled by Ymir.

When Armin said it, he meant it figuratively. Eren is LITERALLY a slave. The point of his entire existence is to free Ymir.
You didn't read much of the discussion that came to this. But basically this is what explains all the inconsistencies within the story. Both character and logical.
Like why was the plan wtih Zeke even necessary? well so that Eren ruins his relationship with Mikasa and then she is forced to kill him.
Why did Eren ignore Mikasa for most of the manga? well because Ymir doesn't need them to get together. She needs Mikasa to fall in love with Eren, then kill him.
How did 5 year old Eren locate the traffickers, and kill them in such maniacal way. Well because Ymir.

Eren didn't use Historia to fulfill the plan even though it would be much easier that way, and many many people in paradis wouldn't need to die not because of Historia. Historia was fine either way. Eren saw how it is going to end. Detitanization. Using Historia would be the easiest and most safe option. The problem is, the point wasn't protecting paradis. The point was freeing Ymir. So Marley and revolution needed to happen. So that the relationship between Eren and Mikasa moves in the way that is needed for her to kill him.
 
So what you folks are telling me is that isayama played bioshock 1 tripped out on acid one night and thought it would be clever to do that twist horribly and for no reason whatsoever
 

Balrog

Well-Known Member
Since Yams seems to have forgotten to explain the whole Ymir and Titans vanishing thing, I made a post last month explaining why she would likely choose to disappear from the world along with all the Titan powers:


Zeke said Ymir continues to exist via Paths because of her attachment to the living world and because of human nature’s fear of death, obtaining the power of a god she used it to escape death and lives eternally via Paths but her continued existence leads only to more suffering for her.

She’s like a lost soul wandering in Purgatory, unable to accept death and continue to cling to the living world.

But in doing so she continually suffers, in Buddhist terms, it’s Samsara the Wheel of Suffering. Every desire is ultimately a desire for liberation, but nothing in the living world can give true liberation because the world is Maya (illusory). In order to achieve Moksha (liberation) one must rid oneself of desires and attachments and in Ymir’s case her attachment to the living world is what’s holding her back from true liberation.

Now that Ymir sees in Mikasa and Eren that letting go is also part of true love, she will choose to disappear from the world, remove the Paths and all Titan powers, free Eldians from their curse, and ultimately free herself from her suffering.

Look at the difference in Ymir’s expression:

Before her eyes were darkened symbolizing her bewilderment and Ignorance of what love is, in her view love is perpetual attachment.


But when she saw Mikasa and Eren her face is now clear and for the first time she smiles, finally realizing that true love is not only attachment but also learning to let go.



Now she herself must let go of her attachment to the world.
 

ShadowReij

Wanderer
What the hell happend to snk after the timeskip. This seems like an absolute clusterfuck even before the ending
Eren's Titan has the ability to manipulate time by sending future users to past users to influence them.

Long story short? Time travel was introduced and it all went predictably downhill from there.

And Ymir existed in a plain where past present and future were occurring simultaneously. As a result Eren's mind was fried, and she controlled everything Eren did just to get her answer from Mikasa.

The ending itself isn't bad.

But there are clearly better ways to tell this kind of story.

And the common truth that there are very few writers that can pull off a time travel story successfully continues to be true.
 

Foxfoxal

Well-Known Member
Huh?

This seems to be getting repeated is there a different trans showing up?
He destroyed the world for his people. He shared in confidence with his best friend that he wishes Mikasa would care about only him after he dies, but to never tell her that.
In the actual physical world he pushed Mikasa away, and kept his feelings to himself.
The people that were fighting him because THEY DID NOT WANT THAT?
 
I gotta admit this
Eren's Titan has the ability to manipulate time by sending future users to past users to influence them.

Long story short? Time travel was introduced and it all went predictably downhill from there.

And Ymir existed in a plain where past present and future were occurring simultaneously. As a result Eren's mind was fried, and she controlled everything Eren did just to get her answer from Mikasa.

The ending itself isn't bad.

But there are clearly better ways to tell this kind of story.

And the common truth that there are very few writers that can pull off a time travel story successfully continues to be true.
I would say that a story of political intrigue or titan survival horror is much more preferrable to this garbage. Ironically the exact same shit ruined kingdom hearts in dream drop distance. Before that the story was complicated but followable. But then xehanort goes back in time to his previous self and all shit breaks loose.

Isayama binged kh and bioshock and narutos shitty kaguya twist and combined it all together
 
Ehhh Bioshock Infinite more like it.
I say bioshock 1 because supposedly eren is being controlled with no agency behind his actions right?

Infinites comstocks were all different people just supposedly tied to the same singularity(which clearly didnt matter anyway cause the dlc retconned the point of the whole ending anyways)
 
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