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Banning Mael/Tone Policing in the Cafe

Discussion in 'Questions & Complaints' started by baconbits, Dec 28, 2016.

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  1. jayjay³² Drug Addict

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    Then why did I get a full forum ban for screenshotting a post in Society Library?

     
  2. Black Superman Honky's Beware

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    They think they do, but they're really just enabling his dysfunctional pathology.

    The Cafe is really just Game of Cliques. No different than high school.
     
  3. aiyanah finesse

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    bacon fucking saying it as it is

    it someone gets permed from a section what stops them getting a full forum ban?
     
  4. Lucaniel non serviam

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    yeah and if someone gets cited for littering what stops them getting jailed for murder?

    THINK ABOUT IT SHEEPLE
     
  5. Nighty the Mighty I swim in outer space Super Moderator

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    kind of but not really, a section ban is more specialised, it's not necessarily lesser


    section bans (in my experience) are only used for offences when there's a clear pattern of behaviour of doing something wrong in one specific section.

    Like if you go into a section and do X wrong one time, you'll probably get a 24 hour forum ban or something, however if you come back from your ban and you then begin to consistently do X wrong in that same section then we start to consider whether it's appropriate to section ban people. Alternatively if the offence itself is very section specific then that might also be taken into consideration, e.g. if you keep posting spoilers in the normal OL after we tell you not to or whatever.
     
  6. Mider T VM Rapist

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    Different sections have different enforcement of the rules? You wouldn't post in the Country Club the same way you would in the Blender.
     
  7. aiyanah finesse

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    you are out of cb for behaving as the current cb does
    process that
     
  8. Lucaniel non serviam

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    are we playing the non sequitur game

    ur afraid of bears
    process that
     
  9. aiyanah finesse

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    nah man, repeat offences to the point of getting section banned should just be a ban
    the section ban should be a punishment and should more often than not be an afterthought
     
  10. Flow King of the Cafe

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    I'm wondering this myself. If you can't make it in the Cafe where else can you go? The Blender?
     
  11. aiyanah finesse

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    i am highlighting the current context of your ban and it's redundancy

    you're just being lucanus cause it fuels you somehow
     
  12. Lucaniel non serviam

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  13. Zyrax Perfection

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    Bacon I respect you but I disagree with you here

    During Luc's Time in the CB he pretty turned the place into his own Fanclub where 90% Of the threads were him and his gf Nighty spending about 50 or something pages memeing with each other

    Not saying that he didn't bring anything positive to the section but the problem is that he saw the Chatterbox as his own house and went after people such as Justin and Nep Nep who weren't part of His blind Fanboys such as Moody Sworder Itachi and Larcher who worshipped the ground he walked on.

    In the end Luc kinda forced Kami into banning him because he was starting to make the cb a terrible place to be if you weren't a part of his bootlickers

    Then again I don't know the whole story so...
     
  14. Stunna Time Lady Victorious Moderator

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    yeah, Luc is a bad influence on this forum
     
  15. baconbits Moderator

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    Coming from one of the more dysfunctional posters this is something of a laugher.

    I honestly don't know the history there. All I can say is that he's been banned from the section forever but he posts everywhere else. Its hard for me to see how that is effective or why you wouldn't just ban him outright if he's such a problem.

    ?

    Suppose my beef with Zero got really bad in the Cafe. We started flaming each other. How is section banning us not lighter than fully banning us? Second, suppose I do start flaming. Why not ban me? Why section ban me? I guess I'm trying to wrap my mind around how you approach this logically.
     
  16. Kitsune `★.。・:*:・ Super Moderator Advisor

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    I'll totally concede that consistency is important. If we've overlooked things that should have been dealt with that is our fault and it needs to be corrected in the future.

    Shadow made a thread asking members about section culture and Cafe location. Hopefully this will help the issue, since in order to have consistency we must have clear boundaries set up. Asking section regulars for input is really important for this.

    If you feel like something has been overlooked, definitely report it and PM the Cafe S-mods. Please don't think of this as snitching or tattling. The Cafe is one of the busiest sections on the forum and it's hard for us to keep up with everything as thoroughly as would be ideal.

    Shadow works hard in there and I think he does well in a tough situation to balance. My first impulse is to have his back, but if constructive improvements are suggested the staff is always upfront and honest with each other and open to considering alternative points of view.
     
  17. Stunna Time Lady Victorious Moderator

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    don't ignore me, dammit
     
  18. Pharah 「 Fly Casual 」

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    So did the Pussy Brigade make you guys cave yet and reverse the perm?
     
  19. baconbits Moderator

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    We all agree with that but the problem is this: when inconsistencies are pointed out what will you do?

    I don't have a problem with him in general, just in this situation. I just wish the staff was more open about what leads to decisions and about decisions in general. I think we need to have a larger approach to solve the issue of openness and communication so that user concerns and staff relations can improve.

    You're the best antagonizer on NF, Krory.
     
  20. aiyanah finesse

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    if that's the case why isn't he just permed
     
  21. Toby Detective Dollars Advisor

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    Maybe. let's see what happens
     
  22. Nighty the Mighty I swim in outer space Super Moderator

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    did u read my response to jayjay? I don't blame u if u didn't cause it wasn't addressed to u but it basically explains this imo

    that said, if you started to flame Zero and I was the cafe mod I would:

    1. warn you and remind you that you're breaking the rules and explain where cause u have no relevant warnings rn
    2. if you continued I would give you a 24 hour forum ban
    3. if it kept happening after that then we would move on to a week ban and I'd probably try and force you to ignore list the guy
    4. if this still isn't working then a month or something and keep telling you to stop responding to zero
    5. if it still keeps happening after this despite everything then we move on to a cafe section ban because you're not otherwise flaming people around the forum and there's good evidence to suggest that you only do things wrong in the cafe.

    Also I think there was a miscommunication here regarding what I meant by severity or w.e

    Obviously objectively a section is less harsh than a normal ban because you can still post elsewhere and stuff, what I meant was that internally they're treated similarly:

    what I mean by this is that a section ban isn't dependant on better behaviour or whatever.

    It's not like

    50/100 flame level, section ban

    100/100 flame level, full ban

    the same level of flame will get you differing punishments depending on personal context. If you want an IRL example of this consider the difference between "woman stabs husband after getting abused for 10 years" and "ex-con stabs elderly paraplegic ww2 vet to sell war medals for drug money"
     
  23. Lucaniel non serviam

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    why should some old guy keep all the drug money, like HE'S gonna enjoy it?
     
  24. Nighty the Mighty I swim in outer space Super Moderator

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    he probably voted leave as well
     
  25. Zenith A mio agio

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    IIRC I was banned for calling some guy n.i.g.g.e.r(without knowing the fellow personally) in the rep. message and another time for calling another guy's logic stupid and to my memory my 2 bans for flaming(but there are most likely more I can't recall)

    when you have places like the blender where you can basically get away with murder

    it's either you police or you don't do it at all, if anything a confrontational section like the cafe' should be the equivalent of Syria forum-wise: a forsaken warzone that even God is afraid of walking into

    mighty mother of disclaimers: before the blender droogs come reaching for my jugular, I'm not saying your section should be changed, I'm positing that the same freedom should be extended to sections where confrontation is intrinsic to its very nature
     
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  26. Dream fallen prince Administrator

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    Plenty of stuff to address but at work right now so I'll only chime in on this:

    Yes, internally they are essentially the same thing. The same behavior that can lead to a forum ban is just as able to lead to a section ban. A number of reasons can lead to a section ban instead of a forum ban but it usually ultimately comes down to staff being bleeding hearts that would prefer to not entirely ban a member from the entire forum especially if he/she is particularly troublesome in only one section.
     
  27. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    That's pretty much what things were like during the twilight of Megaharrison.
     
  28. erictheking Well-Known Member

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    The Café is being modded adequately at the moment, in my opinion.

    The deregulation of the sources policy has improved it (& allows the potential for more improvement) and the current moderation of tone is pretty light-touch. It was admittedly too extreme at the start of Shadow and Amanda's appointments.

    There should only be a 'no bullying' policy. I think that is the intent of the 'no flaming' idea.
     
  29. Zenith A mio agio

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    never understood the megaharrison hatred to be honest

    I get it he's a Jew but other than that they have a nice side too you know
     
  30. Pharah 「 Fly Casual 」

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    Damn you guys are weaker than I thought.
     
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