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Base Gai vs Base Itachi

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  1. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Well-Known Member

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    Base Itachi loses low diff

    3T Itachi would win since 3t kakashi and him were more or less even
     
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    Itachi beats him rather easily, he is far faster, better reflexives and reaction speed.
     
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    Base Itachi wins without to many problems. Without the gates Gai has no ranged moves to go with meaning he'll need to get within five meters to do anything and his base speed isn't overwhelming compared to Itachi so Itachi is gonna easily be able to follow his movements. Now add in his three set of clones for feints as well as to set up Itachi in a good position to attack, crows to briefly distract Gai and Katons and Gai is gonna get overwhelmed without to many problems
     
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    Itachi wins with low difficulty.

    Gai will be easily pressured by Itachi's own speed in combination with Katon, Suiton and Genjutsu. Just like Gai, Naruto could also avoid eye contact and was even commended for it by Itachi, yet he was caught twice in a row despite this with finger genjutsu and crows forcing eye contact respectively. Itachi's feinting skills and jutsu execution speed will ensure that Gai will have a hard time dodging even the Katons and Suitons in addition to exploding clones.

    In terms of portrayal, Itachi's Karasu Bunshin defeated Wind arc Naruto with only 3T genjutsu after forcing eye contact via crows with relative ease - the same Naruto that Kakashi of the same arc said was likely stronger than he was. The Karasu Bunshin requires less chakra than a Kage Bunshin, this could be an indication that this clone variation is slightly weaker than Kage Bunshin - making its feat of easily defeating Wind arc Naruto even more impressive. Gai without the gates simply doesn't compare.

    Spoiler: Databook 3 - Karasu Bunshin no Jutsu

    Crow Clone Technique (烏分身の術, Karasu Bunshin no Jutsu)
    Ninjutsu, C-rank, Supplementary
    User: Uchiha Itachi

    A human-shaped servant is created for get-togethers, inheriting his master's powers!!

    A technique that produces a clone by projecting one's own chakra towards dozens of "crows". Because it uses crows as an medium, it requires less chakra then the normal "Shadow Clone Technique," while still being able to perform techniques.

    [picture of Sasuke being surrounded by the crows from Itachi's Crow Clone]
    →↓The dozens of crows come together to form the body of a clone. When the chakra projected by the user is severed, the crows disperse.
    [picture of Itachi's Crow Clone flying apart in front of Naruto]


    Base Gai is closer in strength to a 3T Itachi that is restricted from Ninjutsu and Genjutsu than he is to a MS-less Itachi.
     
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    Base Itachi is more lethal than Base Gai, hes also faster and smarter.

    His lethality is also ranged...Another thing Gai doesn't have.

    Itachi wins, Mid diff
     
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    Itachi wins with minimal difficulty.

    Karasu Bunshins could be spammed given he controls the crows with a set amount of chakra - meaning - he could spam the technique even if his enemy defeats the clone. They'd simply disperse and reform again. Rinse and repeat. Someone who depends solely on Taijutsu would get tired easily due to the physical arts consuming a lot of stamina. Itachi is also easily faster given his rival couldn't mentally percieve his shunshin. Feints and destructive fire-balls that cracked the ground and left a crater - a feat - not even Madara's Jubī Sized Katon could achieve.
     
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    Gai gets BBQ'd by Fire Style or mindfucked by genjutsu
     
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    Gai isnt being tagged with Genjutsu

    The dude has specialized training to avoid eye contact as stated in canon
     
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    He can be tagged by finger genjutsu or crows forcing eye contact.
     
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    Finger Genjutsu shouldnt impede him as he instantly broke Kabutos A ranked Feather Genjutsu.

    I also dont see eye contact being forced as terribly likely given Gai was explicitly hyped at being able to avoid it.

    Not like it matters tho, as i said, Itachi wins without it.
     
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    Sharinganless Itachi low/mid.
     
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    Not sure breaking Kabuto's genjutsu is that impressive since Genin Shikamaru broke it iirc, but the point is he'll likely get tagged by it despite avoiding eye contact because it doesn't require eye contact.

    Naruto was able to replicate Gai's training method effect in BoS and in the immortals arc but he still got caught. And Gai was hyped to have learned that in response to Kakashi who doesn't utilize crows as distractions to force eye contact. His method is also based on focusing on the feet, so even methodically he doesn't have an edge against the crows' distraction.
     
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    He trained against Kakashi who isn't a genjutsu specialist.

    Training to counter something =/ immunity lol. Especially when eye contact can be forced.
    You mean the same one that Sakura and shikamaru no sold as well?
     
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    Doesnt matter what he specializes in

    Eye contact is eye contact

    And if Gai can reliably fight without making it against one person, he can reliably fight without making it against another. End of story.

    Hell the man used the method against Itachi himself anyway as stated in canon. Or at least planned to.
    And you act like the verses Taijutsu God with an emphasis on avoiding Sharingan genjutsu which he SPECIFICALLY trained for doesnt anticipate this?

    Gais ability to troll eye contact wouldnt have had attention called to it if it was simply something that could be powered through.
    Doesn't matter who broke it

    Naruto, a kid who cant even SPELL Genjutsu, resisted Itachis finger genjutsu.

    Sakura was stated to have an aptitude for Genjutsu her entire life and Shikamaru is a noted Genius smarter than the likes of Kakashi.

    Feather illusion is also, again, an A ranked Genjutsu. It has considerably more hype behind it than Itachis finger does. The fact Gai broke it speaks to his ability to recognize high levels of illusion and dispel them just as quickly.

    Anywho, this entire debate is pointless. Ive already said Itachi steamrolls here. Hes just not doing it with Genjutsu.
     
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    No that is plainly bullshit. Itachi has more effective ways with which he traps his opponents in genjutsu, is much more skilled, and has a much greater usage rate for genjutsu. Simply throwing those facts to the side and claiming "it doesn't matter" isn't going to change that.

    This is like 5th grade logic, and a blatant equivocation fallacy.

    Kakashi is not Itachi. Which is why Kakashi isn't feared for his genjutsu. How many people step to Kakashi and think "damn I really gotta watch for that genjutsu!". The fact that his moniker is oriented towards copying ninjutsu should display to you where he finds the money with his sharingan.

    Your argument is legit "well this wrestler could get person B to the floor without getting popped, so he can do it the same vs anyone else!".

    What? He never fought Itachi before lmao.

    I don't care what Gai said lmao, of course he was going to try the most efficient method of fighting against Itachi. Speaks to nothing as to how effective it would be.

    Like an entire country legit banned 1v1's vs Random uchiha jonin. You don't think they thought of some similar tactics lmao?

    Ok? Itachi is also extremely well versed in taijutsu, and has sharingan to boot.

    Once again, prepping doesn't give this nigga an automatic out.

    Orochimaru got caught
    Killer Bee got caught
    Nardo got caught
    Sasuke got caught

    All these niggas knew about ITachi's genjutsu.

    Even fucking Kabuto with Sage Mode took extreme measures to make sure it was impossible for Itachi to use visual genjutsu, you know, the same dude who had OP sage sensing.

    We haven't even touched how Gai is gonna decipher shit when he's getting clone feinted into next tuesday, and Itachi deciding to stick a finger in his field of view, or have the clone burst into crows capable of acting as a conduit for genjutsu.

    It was a possible counter. No where in the portrayal was it even remotely established as a perfect counter that would have let Gai fight Itachi on par in base. That's nonsense.

    Yes it does, stop being so blatantly dishonest.

    Jutsu ranking has to do with diffuclty in learning. Kabuto's genjutsu is A ranked because of the amount of people he can manipulate at once. It's potency is fucking jackshit as pt. 1 Sakura fucking lol'd that shit, and shikamaru casually broke it while also pretending to be affected by it.

    But yeah, same potency as the nigga who can lockdown opponents like Bee, Kurenai, Orochimaru, Diedara, etc.

    Lmao.

    You mean Naruto, the genius kid who figured out rasengan chakra control in a week. The one who figured out summoning jutsu? The one who figured out how to control decent portions of the kyuubi's chakra?

    The one who then went on to train with a sanin for close to two years?

    Also LOL.
    > Itachi had no killing intent and was stalling.
    > While Naruto was trapped, Itachi was still in actual combat while Naruto stared into space, as Itachi still had chiyo, sakura, and kakashi to focus on.
    > He "barely" resisted a fucking throw away genjutsu from Itachi, which Itachi himself even stated was not even close to serious. Nigga had Naruto in despair, and you wanna talk about resistance :skully

    Ok? Relevance? Sakura was a fucking genin. She had an affinity for genjutsu, she didn't even have one in her repetoire lmao. She casually dispelled that shit with a kai.

    Shikamaru being smart is relevant how? Smart people don't have automatic genjutsu resistance lmao.

    And I explained to you what A ranked means, and why his genjutsu is A ranked. He sacrifices potency for AOE. So stop just saying shit as your arguments.

    Topfuckingkek.
    > Genjutsu from one of the best genjutsu users on the planet, that has much better potency feats being able to entrap a jounin level chunin.
    is <
    > Some med nin's genjutsu which only worked on civilians/genin, and was immediately broke (casually as well) by two "smart" genin.

    Yeah, Gai is a genius for wondering why the sky suddenly filled with feathers, and people started falling over. I mean shit. Someone should begin the pt. 1 sakura and shikamaru vs Base Itachi threads.

    God forbid my nigga Genma gets it in with his A ranked genjutsu defense :giogio

    It is as you've decided to just sprout out statements and pretend like that's actually justifying an argument.

    Itachi has soloed stronger opponents while legitimately standing there. Yet Gai is just gonna stare at his feet, not be able to match his kinesthia with his visual system, and push this fight to anywhere close to being passed low diff before he is caught in dream world and sparring with might Dai. Ok buddy.
     
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    All O can remember about base Gai is that he kicked the fuck out of Kisame and also kicked the fuck out of jiriya.
     
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    Itachi wins without any major trouble.

    He will feint and confuse Gai with clones and crows, pressure him with his shuriken techniques, and overwhelm him with ability to cast ninja techniques so fast that Kakashi could barely follow him.
     
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    3TS Kakashi=6G Gai roughly

    Itachi wins this as he has too much going for him. Gai is arguably faster, is a better fighter, has more stamina, and is physically better-but the advantages of the Sharingan coupled with Itachi's arsenal diminishes that.


    But refer to Gai's hour with Obito and it's evident to see why he'd give Itachi a tough time.
     
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    What does "base" mean for Itachi? 3T or no?

    3T wins due to Ephemeral.

    Base is featless.
     
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    Op didn't restrict 3T so Itachi wins like you said anyway.
     
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    Part 1 Itachi was portrayed to be superior to all the elite Jonin, he was wanked heavily by Kakashi who was one of Konoha's elite who didn't even know what the Mangekyou was. Itachi is faster, smarter, has fire jutsu, explosive clones, and heavy shuriken play. Even with Gai's "genjutsu counter" Itachi is more than strong enough to beat Gai. He just warned Kisame not to underestimate him but it doesn't mean he couldn't beat him. The prodigy takes it low diff.
     
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    Yeah. Well base isn't with a sharingan activated
     
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    Pretty sure a lot of people consider that as base for MS users.
     
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    I dont care what a lot of people do. Many are wrong on a lot of things. Base is base. Not an upgrade. Base Itachi is without sharingan. 3T is just that 3T. Unless u consider Part 1 3T Kakashi as base. Then what would you consider hokage kakashi
     
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    3T is a casual for an Uchiha like Itachi, not for somebody like Kakashi. Anyway, it depends on what OP means by "base."
     
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    Itachi wins relatively easily.

    Genjutsu from eyes/fingers.
    Feinting/Exploding clones.
    Crows to completely disorient Gai.
     
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    Gai stomps lol
     
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