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Base Hashirama vs EMS Madara!!

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Hi no Ishi, Dec 8, 2018.

  1. Hi no Ishi Well-Known Member

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    Restrictions: Kurama, SM

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    Fight!!
     
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    Hashi still wins.
    He fought kurama and madara in base until they merge together before he use SM.
    PS=wood golem per cannon.
    Hashirama can still make wood clones
    Which will give him the advantage. Madara game is only PS so if hashirama stall him with wood golem his clones will then use wood dragon to suck up his chakra.
    Deep forest emergence and poison will put madara to bed.
    Hashi wins midd diff
     
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    Didn't Base Hashirama prove himself to be stronger than EMS Madara already at VOTE. Seeing as Madara had to use Kurama to take him (base form) on.
     
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    Bar an Izanagi blindside, Hashirama would inevitably outlast Madara. He can't get past PS, but he has Mokujin that can hold its own against it, Hotei that can intercept it's sword swings, and Hobi that can straight up tank it's strikes if it not even being scratched by Kurama's TBB is anything to by.

    He was taking on both EMS Madara and the Kyuubi while still in base and holding his own even if it was brief, so he's not outclassed here whether he wins or loses.
     
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    Madara wins with an Izanagi blindside.

    Without that, they're near even.
     
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    PS=SM Mokujin>Base Mokujin

    Madara would win here with some semblance of high diff.
     
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    This fight happened in canon and Hashi won
     
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    That was a rookie EMS Madara who only had a legless version 3 Susanoo as his full power, this Madara has PS which matched a stronger construct (SM Mokujin) than the one Hashi is capable of producing in this match-up, no proof Hashi didn't use SM either in that fight.
     
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    You are implying he did not use his PS in that fight when we were not shown the full fight
    That was Edo hashi Mokijin not alive hashi who is stronger. Alive hashi in base was able to match madara's PS and Kurama with his mokujin. If Madara's PS was = to SM Amp Mokujin then he would have destroyed hashi's base mokujin in vote when he had kurama at his side but that was not the case as they were equal.
    Just like you have no proof madara didn't use PS in that fight either
     
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    No, it wasn't.

    That was Edo Madara.
     
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    Base hashirama is way stronger than ems madara
    the only reason he use his sennin mod was because madara FUSED with KYUBI 100% full power
    hashirama decided to get very serious against his friend

    Before that , base hashirama was fighting ems madara + kyubi and didn't even had intention to kill his friend and he was even worry about landscape and was protecting the nature in the same time

    ems madara decided to fused with kyubi because even with kyubi he couldn't beat base hashirama at that specific time

    in a serious fight there is a enormous gap between base hashirama and ems madara one on one
     
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    SM Hashi>EMS Madara with Kyuubi>Base Hashirama>EMS Madara without Kyuubi.
     
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    PS=SM Mokujin and Mokuryu as we saw in the War arc.

    V4 Susanoo=Mokujin. At least from we can tell during the very short clash in VotE.

    Despite popular opinion I also think Kyuusano is roughly equal to Shinsenju as well. During the clash Shinsenju lost most of its arms while Kurama was only stripped of a part of his Susanoo armor with no visible damage. Hashi simply took advantage of the damage that the Susanoo armor took in order to put the bijuu asleep. He did not KO the bijuu with the Shinsenuju barrage which would make it clear that he outpasses Kyuusano in power.

    Furthermore, either the Kyuusano barrage left Shinsenju unusable or Madara could, without Kurama, somehow put up a long fight and damaged Hashi a fair bit despite SM being still active and with Shinsenju still being around.

    The only way for Hashi to pull off a win is by outlasting Madara if he fully focuses on defense since Madara's chakra reserves are lower and he lost both times due to running out of chakra first.
     
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    I don't think many argue the gap between EMS Madara with Kyuubi and SM Hashi is some crazy gap, but the gap is there. It's small, but it's there.

    This is not shown as we saw Madara using PS matched blow for blow against Mokuyuru and Mokujin in canon
    Your subjective opinion does not change on panel showings.
     
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    Hashirama wins.

    Mokujin tanks PS slashes while the dragon constantly absorbs thier chakra. Additionally, a field of Jukai Kotan constricts his movements including PS.

    Hashi outlasts.
     
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    Mostly via outlasting IMO as that is how Madara lost both times.

    I do not remember Hashi ever straight overpowering Madara.

    First fight with EMS Madara lost after a 24 hours long battle. Unknown whether he had anything above V3 Susanoo or whether Hashi had SM...but we know he did not use Kurama in that battle. We saw him panting hard on the ground with no significant wounds and mostly scratches. Second fight he also lost due to exhaustion as he was Mokubushin fooled which wouldn't happen if he still had chakra to keep his dojutsu active. Third fight with no Kurama available he fough SM Hashi and both restrained one another.

    Madara's main disadvantage is that he runs out of chakra a bit sooner. But Hashi looks quite exhausted by that time too.

    Perhaps a parallel to the Naruto Vs Sasuke fight as the latter did run out of chakra first and managed to keep up by the end due to Preta aiding him. Madara did not have chakra absorbing abilities when he fought Hashi during the time when they were both alive though.
     
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    Hashirama... Due to spamage.

    This makes me wonder if what Hashirama does with Wood is possible with another techniques... Like Jiraiya hair technique.

    Creating something like wood golem by highly concentrating hair strands with each other.
     
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    Yep, this!

    EMS Madara wins.
     
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    Fight happened in canon. Hashi still takes it

    Mokuryu can absorb Susanoo and Mokujin can physically contest PS.

    Hashi has also made wood constructs with the capability of blocking hits from Iso Susanoo IN BASE so the argument that Madara has some unspoken advantage here is crap.

    Base Mokujin is confirmed on par with Full Kurama as per feats and in the DB, it's easily strong enough to contest PS, especially with Mokuryu spam backing it and with poison pollen.

    Hashi is also gonna canonically outlast...The dude outlasted this EXACT Madara who also had KURAMA in his corner...And hashi gave no fucks.
     
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    Geeez, I must be so bored to defend (Aspull)Madara so much.

    Hussain will neg me to hell for this. :catsweat

    (What I'm doing is tantamount to heresy. :blobsweat )
     
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    Mokuryu never was shown absorbing Susanoo. Either it can't or Madara can use it skillfully enough to prevent it from absorbing it. In no fight Hashi pulled it off.

    Mokujin can match PS...as long as it is SM empowered and with Mokuryu backing it up. As shown in canon.

    Hashi indeed MIGHT outlast but if SM is restricted and Madara can use PS...then Hashi would probably lose before Madara gasses out.
     
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    Don't see what Hashi has to bypass Perfect Susano'o.
     
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    Mokujin as per cannon
     
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    When was Mokujin shown bypassing PS? Much less a non-SM Mokujin?
     
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    Last i check mokujin can be used in base. Are you implying that PS alone can protect him from mokujin and wood dragon. Not to even talk of deep forest emergence and poison.
    Simple fact is madara even in PS will be overwhelm and if the fight drag on madara will gasses out quickly and eventually lose
     
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    I was talking more of it equalling it out while clones use wood dragons or deep forest emergence to bypass it
     
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    Yeah, but the base version of Mokujin was matched with V4 Susanoo alone. While it took a SM empowered Mokujin and Mokuryuu combo to match PS.

    And the title of this thread is "Base Hashi Vs EMS Madara". So no SM Mokujin.

    IF PS is restricted then yeah...Madara WILL gass out like it happened to him twice. Though dunno about "quickly" as it took a day in their first BIG fight and seemingly lots of time in their VotE fight as well tp completely exhaust Madara with Hashi extremely tired too.

    Hashi was never shown using more than one Wood Dragon though.

    And as we saw with Oonoki the forest can be destroyed by a guy less powerful than Madara.

    I doubt Hashi never thought of using it against Madara. But it never ended up giving him the win. At least from the fights we have seen.
     
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