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Base Itachi vs Rasa

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Skilatry, Feb 12, 2018.

  1. Skilatry Well-Known Member

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    Rasa likely beats him. Itachi relies on CQC and swift attacks to create an opening while rasa on other hand is a ranged fighter who can overwhelm Itachi without letting him in CQC.
     
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    Orochimaru stomped him. As if he'd stand a chance against someone who can defeat Orochimaru with little difficulty
     
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    Portrayal wise he got murdered by Orochimaru who in turn lost to 3T Itachi quickly.

    Feat wise simple misdirection is enough to create an opening against him. Gaara attacked him from above and he blocked that leaving him vulnerable to an attack from below. See Itachi beating him by doing something to that effect. Or simply tricking him into crushing himself as he did with Deidara.

    Itachi relies on misdirection via clone feints and genjutsu to create openings, not close quarters combat.
     
  5. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    Rasa could beat him in battle since he can instantly midas-touch a whole battlefield and trap someone in his territory, but we all know what's gonna happen

     
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  6. Maverick04 Well-Known Member

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    Clone feints and crows for misdirection to reduce the distance between the two.
    I believe Katons can weaken Gold sand coz of it being Magnet release and all.
    Genjutsu can be used to knock Rasa out for a short while or just confuse him before landing a finishing blow..Unlike Gaara, Rasa doesn't have an ultimate defense or sand armor..And not being in a desert is also a disadvantage for him
     
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    Sharingan genjutsu should be enough to subdue Rasa, given Itachi's overall portrayal over Rasa's forgettable displays.

    A weaker Sasori than the one we saw in the manga had already killed history's strongest Kazekage and added his power. Rasa gets handled rather easily.
     
  8. walpurgis Burgoo ohtanishoheiohtanishoheiohtanishohei

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    rasa wins low diff
     
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  9. MSAL At the King's shrine

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    You beat me to it.
     
  10. hbcaptain Well-Known Member

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    3T Itachi still beats him thanks to Gengetsu.
     
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    3T Itachi apparently trolled orochimaru with a Genjutsu, I can see the Itachi doing the same to Rasa more times than not
     
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    Rasa high diffs, but Itachi can pull of a victory if he can catch Rasa in a genjutsu. Also why would rasa be as close to Itachi as Oro was, because he's a full 50 meters away. Why is the Oro feat being used as well. Oro had backup in the form of Kabuto, and it wasn't even a KI battle since Oro pretty much needed Itachi alive for the body switch ritual. Are we forgetting Rasa can fly a well which poses another difficulty for Itachi?

     
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    You sure about that?? Maybe im forgetting something..Do you have a scan??
     
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    finger genjutsu gg
     
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    If gaara can levitate using sand theres no reason why Rasa cannot do the same thing.
     
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    Gaara also has a nigh instant sand defense and sand armor..But Rasa doesnt..Moreover what rasa uses is Magnet release..I don't think Gaara's regular sand is Magnet release KG
     
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    Your really reaching now. If Rasa can use enormous amounts of sand to equal out Gaara theres no reason why he cannot use it to fly. COmparing a power directly linked to his mothers soul as well as one we know not the origin of doesn't help your case.
     
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    Just saying bro..We can't give random feats to characters..I see where you are getting at but Rasa not being shown to use flight doesn't help your case either..And Gold Sand is heavier than regular sand so I highly doubt that it would help in flight
     
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    Itachi can't beat him with simple genjutsu.

    A basic illusion doesn't paralyze chakra flow. So, even if stuck in place, Rasa would still be able to move his sand to defend himself or strike himself to break the illusion.

    Fourth databook said Rasa was proficient in yin release. So, he's not getting punk'd by a low level genjutsu.

    Itachi is gonna need a strong illusion that paralyzes Rasa's mind and body. Either that or just Tsukuyomi gg, but Rasa is not falling without some effort on Itachi's part.
     
  21. Buuhan Hokage of the Six Paths

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    Your right not having the feat is bad, but throwing out deduction in place of a feat doesn't work either. It still stands the nature of a kazekages sand control is clear and precise in its depiction. Gaara had sand armor and the will of his mother which are outside abilities. Assuming Rasa who is comparable to Gaara(without the aforementioned abilities) can't fly due to no on panel showing(for a character with barely any on panel time) is flawed itself. If Sasori can levitate huge chunks of iron sand theres no reason why Rasa with a living boy no less cannot do the same.

    edit: why is it a random feat when im clearly comparing two kazekages?
    -why is Rasas golden sand useless in a fight when his entire style revolves around it??? How would he even achieve his position if it was useless??
     
  22. Kubish Well-Known Member

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    If by base you mean without even 3 Tomoe Sharingan, I don´t see Itachi winning.
     
  23. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    Just sayin, Gaara's whole set is copied off of Rasa's.

    The 3rd Kazekage didn't use jiton the way Rasa and Gaara do (assuming the moves Sasori used are the 3rd Kazekage's own moves and not jsut stuff Sasori himself came up with) Rasa knows the cat's eye jutsu to observe people (same jutsu Gaara uses) Rasa knows Gold Dust: Imperial Funeral (as opposed to Imperial Sand Funeral) Rasa knows Quicksand Waterfall Flow (AKA Sand Tsunami) when Gaara and Rasa clashed with each other they always threw their jiton in the same shape, their sand/dust moved at the same speed and in the same shape.

    There's obviously major overlap between their movesets.

    More indirectly, whenever Gaara did something clever or new with his sand, Rasa commented on it. Rasa made no comment about Gaara floating on sand during their fight.

    The most likely scenario is that Gaara only got the idea to levitate with sand because it was something he saw Rasa do.
     
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    Are you saying that just because both to them are Kazekages that's why they should also have the same feats?? Muu and Onoki had the same fighting style but Onoki can't use his invisibility and fission

    When did I say that it's useless in a fight??
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    I said Gold sand being heavier than regular sand wouldnt be of much help when it comes to flight

    Again I don't really care much..You can use random feats all you want..IMO Rasa can't fly because he hasn't shown the ability..Feel free to prove me wrong if you can with a scan..From the manga or even the Databook for that matter..If you can't then im not interested in further discussion
     
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    Rasa was alive before the chuunin exam so he shouldve seen Gaara use flight before

    Maybe..Or Gaara figured it out himself..Give him some credit dude
    :catshrug
     
  26. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    Gaara didn't display flight until after the chunin exams. Which can be interpreted as a lack of power/skill based on how he used hsi sand in the chunin exams vs how he used it in SRA.

    It's hard to give Gaara credit when he has the same moveset as his dad and we see later that, by the time of the war arc, Gaara has only just then gained the skill and power that his father had (a weakened, Edo version of his father)
     
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    -clearly you don’t even understand the points your making. The same way Gaara has two outside abilities that his father doesn’t possesses a parallel can be drawn to Onoki and Mu. You just proved my point further.

    -if you wanna keep up the idea just because it doesn’t have a feat its wrong go right on ahead and throw logic out the door. :whistle
     
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    Why is Itachi 'defeating' Orochimaru with Sharingan genjutsu relevant here? Orochimaru arrogantly tried to ambush Itachi and didn't think he could be caught in a binding genjutsu in the first place. That's clearly different to having to actively catch Rasa, who likely will not make the same mistake.

    To further illustrate my point, (30%) Itachi had to physically grab Kakashi to catch him with a Sharingan genjutsu (and even then it ended up being a clone). When Orochimaru resurfaced from Sasuke to face Itachi the second time, he was not worried about the Sharingan genjutsu and was not defeated by it. Most of the Gokage faced opponents with the Sharingan without quickly succumbing to Sharingan genjutsu as well.

    It's not going to be so easy to catch Rasa in a major illusion that decides the outcome of the match.
     
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    Rasa low to mid diff TBH.
     
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