Discussion in 'Manga/Anime Battledome' started by Sabaku no Ira, Aug 30, 2005.
Interesting battle... though I think Berserk takes this one.
You mean evil demons of the worst kind versus ninjas?
Zodd take this alone.
Ah crap, I've forgotten about the demons...
OK, what about this: The Band of Hawks vs an army of Naruto ninjas.
Berserk in a walk, bad matchup, let's play up the Marvel vs Gojiraverse angle for a while, fellas.
One of the strongest ninjas alive had to give up his life to just defeat one youma, now imagine if their were millions of youmas? Berserk takes this one.
Berserk demons would totally pwn Narutoverse.
And don't forget the God Hand and also that evil god. Narutoverse could be wiped out instantly. If it would only be humans vs humans but like this it's pretty unfair.
Even if we just count the humans I think that Berserk would win. I takes some skill to survive as a warrior in a world filled with demons.
Universe vs Universe is a bad match up of course because the exent of essentially invincible entities in both universes is unknown right now.
As for the "corrected" match up. It depends on the "army of ninja's". The band of the hawk have some exceptional people in it but someone like Jiraiya could sink most the the BofH alone. Also Gatts is phenomenal but at this point he's pre black swordsman. Him, Griffiths and a few others are the only ones that display that level of strength in the hawk (In fact I doubt even Griffiths could take out 100 armoured men in a night) and high level ninja's would easily wear them down in the end (after annihilating the weaker mercenaries).
Unless this is new band of the hawk which is full of demons and apostles.
So it depends on what level this "army of ninjas" actually is and army of ANBU would be killed by Judeu alone. You know, since he throws knives and all
Wel, BErserk would win. I mean look, Zood the Immortal is immortal taht means we can't die, he can probably take out majority of the Narutoverse.
The match has been changed by the topic starter I think.
It's now Band of the Hawk vs an army of ninjas.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kyuubi was wrecking forests and mountains with it's tails.
If there's something in Berserk that can "own" that, that's just silly.
Yes....Idea of Evil = God. That guy could disintegrate the Kyuubi with a thought.
Godhand members could destroy Kyuubi easily too...
Even the apostle Ganishka could defeat the Kyuubi without major efforts
It's not silly. It's the nature of the story. If you make an story about angels and demons it's normal see that kind of creatures
That's why I limit it to "Band of Hawks" (and yes, the human one. The demon version would slaughter whole countries without a sweat). Even one apostle is on Kyubi level. And Godhand are basically cosmics who can alter reality and do basically anything.... :S
This is what makes Berserk so dark and depressing, because the force of evil is basically hopelessly powerful. Remember Godhand and apostles are evil in nature, unlike certain Marvel/DC cosmic-level characters...
Of course, Juggernaut could take them all.
I'm sorry, but the kyuubi would make mince meat out of all the other demons from Berserk. The justus also look like spells. You think a demon could resist a spell like the 3rd hokage used on Orochimaru? That jutsu summoned death itself!! I would like to see a demon try to fight a shinigami!!
Naruto alone could defeat the band of the hawk, except maybe Gats.
You talking about Godhand who are basically cosmics that can alter reality itself? Besides, there's not just two demons we're talking about, it's thousands of them. Given that Sarutobi and Yondaime can only take out two (they'll die doing the seal), more using Kage Bunshin, there's still the Godhand who're basically Death God level.
Hum... Band of Hawk, sure. But Godhand? No...
Better suggestion would be the most power Hulk (starting with an "M"). Even him will have some trouble taking on 4 cosmic-level demons (are they demons, technically?).
My impression was that their reality altering ability was limited. It's only useful to summon creatures like trolls or travel between dimensions, but not anything combat related. Atleast, not enough to make a win a sure bet.
As for the other shinobis, demons are nothing. They would only have to summon gamabunta and he would just EAT all the demons. The shinigami jutsu is just a last resort that probably isn't even necesary.
Well, we don't know their true power, since the last time they "fought" Guts was when they crossed their arms and waited until Guts can't stand the pain anymore. But given the writer tries hard to show them as ultimately, godly powerful, I'll put it in the range of the cosmics.
However, the number of demons will have to be reckoned with. I mean, they seems to be limitless. Kill one, and two take its place. Also, there's the Undead to be reckoned with.
Godhand are demigods. With only a hand movement Femto compressed 5-10 apostles to nothing. Slann transformed the whole Qliphoth into her womb. They can shape the reality in any way. They control the causality after all.
Ganishka (an apostle) is a giant cloud that can shot at will rays capable to take down a whole army full of apostles.
Grunbeld apostle form is a Dragon made of Corundum, the most resistent metal in the world. Even the DragonSlayer with the power of Hazama only scratched it.
Zodd is inmortal and can regenerate or rearm any lost limb.
Actually the ability of the God Hand to manifest and remain in the physical world seems limited, that's why
Griffith had to rebirth.
But once someone activates the Behelit they'll summon the vortex along with the God hand to the world...then pwnage begins. I can see a group of Jounins survive a bit against a swarm of low to mid level demons, but the major ones are just too...impervious to most forms of ninja atacks...The bigger apostles are probably 1-1 with the Sannin...well at least Tsunade seems the most suited character to fight berserk demons, her brute strength could break down Grunbeld's "armor", who knows...
But a group of ninja's would certainly pwn the hawks with Griffith in prime and Guts w/out the armor, considering various scenarios. With given preparation, NInja's traps are just too high tech for berserk universe get rid off - no one would be able to detect or disable a piece of paper with some writings in it. Guts essencially is Zabuza with more stamina/strengt and no ninjutsu at all, however he'd take down a whole country with the armor. hehe
Oh and lets not forget most berserk demons regenerate a la Kyuubi and don't care if they're ripped of as long as their head is connected to the body. =/
More importantly: Slan >>>>>>> Sexy no Jutsu!
Though I think Casca is a bit hotter.
Slan >>>>>>> Sexy no Jutsu! Yesssssss
the naruto universe is a bit low on the power scale.........
Well I consider the Berserk Universe is superior...
Just because Berserk got trendy all the sudden doesn't mean you have to revive these age old threads.
Trendy or not, in terms of average human power level naruto is the victor. Major league ninja's are more than a match for most low to mid level apostles. Higher level apostles are scary though, and guys like GAnishka are Bijuu power at least. This is not even mentioning the god hand or characters like the skull knight.
The thing that equilizes things for berserk on the human level is that there is a degree of ruthlessness and brutality that naruto can't hope to match.
For example in the narutoverse, the last man to be seriously held up by the thrown knife was iruka and he walked away from it. Berserk is harsh. People are constantly beign killed, given no second chances, people don't name their techniques (save for comic relief, heck even the other character laugh at them), they are really hard core when it comes to the art of killing.
Finally the mystical humans in berserk have powers that are far more absolute and scary than those of the naruto verse. Those like Sin Maats body guards cause levels of damage with bare hands that rival that of the most powerful ninjutsu and can turn steel with their skin. Witches if they visit the right entity can do scary scary stuff. Stuff like drowing your entire army or causing it to rot or burn.
On a personal scale the magical weapons are far more versatile and horrible and the truel conversant human fighters with a decent array of mystic backup are scary beyond belief. The Gaeseric the Conqueror aka The skull knight, could most likely single handedly kill 99% of the narutoverse.
Yea, and Berserk have ARMIES.....you just can't compair........