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Big Mom VS Fujitora

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by Brook, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. Emperor Whitebeard New Member

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    Fujitora isn't going down to anyone alive in verse with less than a high difficulty fight. The Admirals are just that strong.
     
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    Skinny meme gets skinned alive.

    Blob fish meme is still vague AF cause she was retarded for 90% of the time.
     
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    Fujitora uses gravity on her fat ass, she will no longer be able to move.

    GG Fuji wins
     
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  5. DiscoZoro20 Ōka Shichibukai

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    And Kaido and healthy Whitebeard... so basically it is correct for any yonko except Big Mom.
     
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    Want me to get the image of a 72 year old senile INJURED dead man beat a FULLY Functionall "strongest admiral" in 2 hits???

    I think you have a hard time discerning plot from actual combat. What the Strawhats did on the ship to a WEAKENED Big Mom is a mix of plot & feats however take it whatever way you like. Until we see ANY Admiral (besides Garp[VA] & Mr. Buddha) get Yonko level hype let alone even stand a chance in a fight with a Yonko cause they damn sure ain't winning than we can talk buddy
     
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    The Yonko (outside of Big Meme which I stated [Ik "I" doesn't represent the fan base as a whole I am just speaking on my lonesome] previously from 2015+) are just that much more Monsters. I mean even BB who wasn't even Admiral level at tr time of WB death is shocking the world in ways the admirals don't off pure hype alone. Until the Strongest Admiral got beat by a Yonko on his deathbed in 2 shots sealed the deal for me. These Yonko hold their own against the Other Yonko even when they are at they primes. If you consider what Sakazuki did against Edward Newgate as 'holding your own' than I don't think you've been in a fight let alone can scale this approximately or accurate that scene.
     
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    And who was it that put said Yonkou on his deathbed again?
     
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    Father time?
     
  10. Emperor Whitebeard New Member

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    Blackbeard is shocking the world because he got the most destructive fruit in existence. The power that can destroy the world. That's why he is so dangerous now. And all the Admirals clashed equally with Whitebeard. Whitebeard managed to temporarily incapacitate Akainu, but he lost half his face in the process.

    The Admirals and Emperors have been compared time after time and they are the same status: Admirals for Marines and Emperors for pirates. It would be strange to think that the World Government's greatest fighting force would not be able to give high diff. to the top pirates in the world, especially since they are the guys meant to rival them.
     
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    In all honesty, Whitebeard absolutely flattened Akainu, but that wasn’t because Old WB is that much stronger than the admirals, it’s because he snuck Akainu. He caught Akainu lacking beautifully, and he was 10000% bloodlusted, it was the perfect opportunity to send WB out with a bang. I mean Aokiji ripped off Jozu’s arm the moment he was distracted, is it that hard to believe a guy with the worlds strongest DF can nearly kill you if he gets to land the first hit? I’m more impressed Akainu managed to put up the fight that he did after that.

    No other Yonkou could’ve done that to Sakazuki, hell when Akainu was actually facing Old WB straight up he managed to deflect a quake. Admirals are still monsters, and are on the same level as the yonkou
     
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    Where is it stated that the Yonkou and the Admirals are of comparable status? The only statements that I've ever seen referenced for that argument are Luffy and Chinjao naming both as obstacles for any Pirate trying to become Pirate King. But that is no where near the same thing as saying that all named obstacles are of comparable status. As for the Admirals being The World Government's top fighting force, it's actually stated that The World Government dubbed them The Marines' top fighting force. The World Government gave the Admirals the title but the title only applies to The Marines. And while that's an amazing title, it's not specific against the idea that there can be individuals in The Marines who are superior to the Admirals. Such as Garp. So it's not necessarily a fact that the Admirals are the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd most skilled individuals in The Marines. They can reasonably be the 3rd, 4th, and 5th or the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th most skilled individuals in The Marines without it contradicting the title.

    So it doesn't necessarily have to be that the Yonkou are meant to match up against the Admirals. It can also be that the match ups are meant to be:

    Yonkou vs. Kong, Fleet Admiral, Garp, and possibly The Gorosei.

    Top Yonkou Commanders vs. top CP0 members and Admirals.

    Which I would argue makes more sense in my opinion. If it's the Yonkou vs. the Admirals who do the top Yonkou Commanders match up against? Unless CP0 has like 10-15 top Yonkou Commander level characters in their organization. :p
     
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    Why'd these "Admirals" who are supposedly on level with the Yonko replaced in 1 year? Not 1 admiral got replaced but 2 in a single year. Hell BB had the STRONGEST Paramecia & Logia a crew filled with Level 6 inmates and still wasn't fully recognized as a Yonko till a year later.

    Must be more Admiral level people level people around the sea than Yonko level is what its seeming like.
     
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    Blackbeard, Squardo, & himself for having bad health habits
     
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    The bold is exactly what I support as well. The admirals are not meant to balance out the yonko, the fleet admiral does. The admirals and yonko top commanders are both second fiddle to the yonko and fleet admiral. We´ve only seen admiral Kizaru fight first mates, we´ve only seen admiral Fujitora fight a first mate and top commander level guys. And we have- and never will- see them fight anyone above that. Who is going to fight Luffy at the end of the story? That´s right Fleet admiral Akainu and yonkos. Who are admirals going to fight? The subordinates and/or supernova allies. This illustrates the food chain very clearly.
     
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    Uh, Aokiji fought Akainu for 10 days straight. Akainu's attacks are strong enough to fry Old WB, possibly strong enough to one shot him if he could've landed a Great Eruption, and Aokiji fought him for 10 days and only lost an arm. Do you honestly think Katakuri or Marco would've lasted even a day fighting the Mad Dog himself? Admirals are above first mates, there is nothing in the manga to suggest otherwise.
     
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    :pringles
     
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    @ Law.

    Sure Akainu did that against a significantly nerfed version of Old Whitebeard's character. Also we have far more panels of top Yonkou Commanders matching up on par with Admirals than we do panels of Akainu doing that. As for Old Whitebeard's character vs. Kizaru I'm pretty sure that Zoro is referring to actual clashes as that confrontation doesn't necessarily constitute a clash. Plus the top Yonkou Commanders have been matching up on par with fully healed Admirals and for far more panels than Old Whitebeard's character vs. Akainu's clash of punches. :p
     
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    Now I don't want to appear rude or anything, but that answer seems quite dishonest.
     
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    That's because replacing an Admiral is much easier. It isn't related to strength. An Emperor needs a powerful crew, territories in the New World and influence as well as recognition by other pirates and Marines. Admirals on the other hand only need to be conscripted and be strong enough for the position. That's why Blackbeard became a Yonkou a year and the Admirals were replaced. He slowly began taking Whitebeard's territories and forces the Whitebeard remnants in a showdown, which obviously takes much more time than a world-wide military conscription.
     
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    Since when is that a fight? 2-3 panel skirmishes are suddenly fights... :rotfl

    How convenient that you are using Aokiji and Akainu the 2 guys that were chosen as F-L-E-E-T A-D-M-I-R-A-L candidates as feat benchmarks for admirals. A.k.A the rank canonically above admiral. How about you look at Kizaru and Fujitora instead and show us how they clashed evenly with first mates but noone above that?
     
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    Are you moving the goal posts? You said only the fleet admiral can match up with the Yonkou, I give you someone else, and now it’s Fleet Admiral candidates? Anyway, Kizaru was portrayed exactly as Aokiji was during the war, and even fought pretty much the same people. He took no damage from Marco, exactly like Aokiji, he fought WB and took no damage, like Aokiji, and he shot and hurt WB during their brief scuffle, which is more than what Aokiji did. Kizaru has taken 0 damage since this manga started, and he has wrecked or did serious damage to anyone who fights him. Meanwhile, BM has gotten thrown by Jinbe, Kaidou has been captured a ridiculous number of times fights, WB’s dead, Shanks got stole on by Teach, and Teach had Pre skip Luffy playing dominoes with his Liver. The Yonkou have all at some point lost or gotten humbled. Most of the admirals have gotten humbled too. Except Kizaru. He’s never even been stressed once in the manga.

    As for Fujitora, he can drop meteors while he eats ramen. The one he dropped on Law and Doflamingo that he had to eventually repel himself was him testing himself for the lulz. He also lifted all of the wreckage of Dressrosa, the entire island. He then fought Luffy while doing this, and tanked a G3 attack without even bothering to use haki. A G3 attack was capable of blasting away a good chunk of Pica, and can hurt Doflamingo if it hits. Speaking of Doflamingo, he completely stopped a strong Doflamingo kick. Doflamingo’s kicks are capable of tossing someone as strong as Luffy, and have been used to remind Law why he had to run and get his friend to jump him

    When Fuji fought Sabo he didn’t stress one bit, received no damage, and he couldn’t even use his meteors. In other words, a restricted Fuji at the very least can hold his own against the Revolutionary army’s #2 without even breaking a sweat. The popular counter to this is that Sabo didn’t try, but why would he engage an admiral while whining about how he has to protect Luffy from him and just half ass it? Sabo was amazed by what Fuji’s move set was like, and Fuji just seem amused with what Sabo could do. Fuji didn’t try the entire time he was on DR, and no one could scratch him.
     
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    "Moving the goal posts" just because I worded it dfferently. Did you by any chance forget that Aokiji is nigh-equal to Akainu despite devil fruit advantage? It makes practically no difference whether I use him or Akainu as example because they both are considered fleet admiral level. You are just grasping for straws to find weaknesses in my argument now. Kizaru was not portrayed the same in the war. He had more trouble defeating his opponent (imagine Aokiji vs Marco.. he certainly wouldn´t need Onigumo to defeat Marco), got overpowered while on-guard and only exchanged blows with Whitebeard after he took hits from tons of Navy soldiers and Akainu. Besides you are still ignoring all the portrayal outside of Marineford. We have Akainu and Aokiji duking it out as nigh-equals for the fleet admiral position while Kizaru has been ignored completely. We have Rayleigh- a first mate- injuring Kizaru with no difficulty whatsoever. We have the overall difference in powers between admirals and the fleet admiral candidates who have much more lethal abilities that can damage you just by touching them. Then there is the matter of Fujitora- another admiral - fighting first mate Sabo who can´t even control his devil fruit or use awakening as almost equals with Fujitora even resorting to one of his strongest attacks "gravity blade raging tiger" with no effect whatsoever.

    Now on to your other arguments. Big Mom is literally the only yonko even comparable to an admiral the other 4 are all noticably above no ifs and buts. So you can downplay her all you want and put the admirals above her it does not matter. Amonst the other yonko we have Shanks the guy with potentially strongest conqueror´s haki in the series. Nobody ever would dare to compare him to Kizaru or Fujitora.. they´d get high-diffed at most. Then there is healthy Whitebeard the strongest man in the world- again no contest. The strongest creature- same thing. And Blackbeard the guy with the strongest paramecia and logia who is going to rival even eos Luffy and Shanks in strength. What you say about these guys to diminish their strength is just ridiculous and I won´t even bother with it. You know exactly what is wrong with these arguments, I don´t need to point it out.

    Kizaru has been humbled as well. He was so embarassed by old Rayleigh being capable to stop him he even pointed it out himself. What Fujitora did is still not as impressive as what the yonko bring to the table. They have world´s strongest titles, rival other world´s strongest title holders, hold the strongest devil fruits in history, fight with the likes of Prime Roger, Prime Sengoku and Prime Garp and showcase the strongest haki in the story. No matter what Fujitora did and will do it is not comparable to that. And most of these yonkos didn´t even fight yet. That tells you a lot. Yonkos are above admirals period.
     
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    No one strength wise is compared to Yonko while we've seen numerous non admirals put a fight against admirals. Everyone that stepped to WB at MF was 1shotted & the "STRONGEST" Admiral himself was 2shotted(admittedly Akainu put in a bit of work). Now Remember this. As far as the series has portrayed up to this date the Admirals are always looking inferior to the Yonko.
     
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    More dishonest than Akainu tricking Squardo so they can injure an Old Man on his deathbed. However yes Akainu did hurt him. However he went to solo Blackbeard right after.

    Keep that in mind Dunno
     
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    Blackbeard final villain lol. Shu3t Sabo might beat Akainu eos not before Luffy punches him but still nonetheless.
     
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    It's pretty hypocritical of you to cite/refer to Marco vs Kizaru which was barely a few pages long to imply parity of portrayal between the two and then dismiss Whitebeard vs Kizaru as a mere skirmish. If you're going to call one a skirmish & ignore it, then it's only fair you do the same to the other ........ neither of them came close to a proper Aokiji vs Akainu, Luffy vs Doflamingo etc etc style full on fight.




    And lol ......... the damage control is real. Prior to this arc BM as a yonkou was meant to be on a higher level to the Admirals and now she's the only who may be comparable to the Admirals. You're really going all out to protect your fictional tier-lists aren't you? :hestonpls


    As I said to drewboy (Magnet > Drew tbh tbf) over there, you guys are never going to learn until it's too late. Shanks has demonstrated zilch to imply he's categorically above the Admirals and neither has Teach for that matter - they'll also have some bad moments when the time comes. Heck even the best of them Kaido will inevitably get some bad portrayal during Wano, though probably nothing as egregious as BM (simply by virtue of his gender).
     
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    All the Admirals themselves clashed with Whitebeard equally, when he was relatively fine, the strongest of the Yonkou. Akainu was neaery knocked out after the island splitter indeed, but not after he took half of Whitebeard's head.(It was a surprise attack. There's that to consider, but seeing how Akainu had a free hit when Whitebeard's heart attack occurred, I chose to ignire this fact.)

    The only Yonkou we've seen in action are Whitebeard and Big Mom. Whitebeard has been more impressive than the Admirals, but he is stronger than the other Yonkou too, although not far away. Big Mom on the other hand...Simply put, it took the likes of Whitebeard, Shanks or Marco to stop Akainu when he went on rampage during the war. Big Mom's performance has been poor to say the least. Brook blitzed her mid attack, Chopper tanked her hits, not to mention her missing the strawhats several times in the Seducing Woods. Replace Big Mom with Akainu and everyone would be crushed by now.
     
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