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Big Mom VS Fujitora

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by Jonavity, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    This is the one that pushes Fujitora back, it's far superior in size to Fujitora.



    This is the one that Fujitora successfully defends against, it's not even half of Fujitora's size.
     
  2. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    When you entire argument is based on one panel you have to make excuses. That's the life.
     
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  3. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    But your argument is also based on 1 panel. Lol. In any case, successfully defending against a far smaller technique obviously doesn't invalidate being pushed back by a technique significantly superior in size. But think what you want, I respect your views.
     
  4. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    Unless there is big/mid/small different version of G3 attack they are all the same. Oda is just free styling his art. But what he is showing is clear. Fujitora (without using Armament Haki) having no problem with Luffy's G3 attack just like he didn't have any problem against Sabo who is physically superior to G3 Luffy.

    Also my argument is based on his hype, portrayal, feats, his intention during those exchange based on his character & comment from his opponent. Unlike you I don't choose one panel that whether supports my claim or not and hump it till the end to establish my point.

    You say you are open to changing your opinion Gohara but after observing you in past years I can say that's not true at all. Even when you are proven wrong you bring up excuses. As I said even if an Admiral comes and defeat the current strongest Yonko Kaido you will still be making excuses for Kaido instead of saying that the said Admiral is strong.

    But that's just you being you. I don't expect that to change. If you changed you wouldn't be the GOHARA we all like and love.

    It's my last post to you on this topic. Stay well Gohara. Don't let anyone take that "Tier Specialist" award from you.
     
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  5. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    Observations aren’t perfect. I’ve changed my rankings of various characters on many occasions, some of them including the Admirals. And I’m sure that various characters will rank differently at various points of the series.

    There’s no reason for me to change my opinion on Luffy vs. Fujitora. I suggested that based on Gear 3rd Luffy overpowering Fujitora with an Elephant Gun several times Fujitora’s size, Gear 3rd Luffy at full physical strength is physically superior to Fujitora. Bringing up how Fujitora successfully defends against a much smaller technique is obviously not a counter to that point, assuming that it wasn’t Luffy defending rather than the other way around, so I’m not sure why you thought that it would change my mind. And obviously there’s no reason to think that I would change my mind just because you decided on your own that Oda meant to draw it several times Fujitora’s size but randomly chose not to. Luffy can control how much he inflates his techniques. There have been many occasions where Gear 3rd techniques have varied in that aspect.

    But again, your argument is also based on 1 panel. Is it really fair to constructively criticize an argument based on 1 panel, but then use 1 panel for your argument? Hype, portrayal, and feats are what we’re discussing. We can’t rightfully use our conclusions as evidence of themselves. And I can easily say that I’m basing my argument off of that.

    Hey man, that’s up to you. I have nothing against you. If you don’t like how I rank the Admirals, it’s all jiggy. I get that not everyone agrees on everything.
     
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  6. Icegaze 氷の眼差し

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    has big Mum shown enough though
    Think we should wait till her fight to judge
    For now I think Fuji
     
  7. Don King Pirate King

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    You're not going to get an answer there. it's a stomp, BM already one shot Judge.
     
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  8. shisuiuchiha5 Well-Known Member

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    fujitora defeats big mom mid to high difficulty.

    big mom has been shit throughout the whole arc.

    She couldn't even touch Luffy and Jinbei WHILE ENRAGED , she had let 2 of her commanders get defeated by fodders supernovas, she had put herself in a position where she could actually die, she couldn't even accomplish of killing the Germa. She's been shit this whole arc.

    Even Jimbei managed to overpower Big mom lol.

    Even brook managed to shit on big mom,he bisected zeus right under her feet,and big mom got thundered yet again by a zeus's lighting enhanced by nami.

    Her feats have been rather lacklustre for a top tier and she's been portrayed as nothing more than a dumb powerful berserker ... no class or intelligence in her fighting at all.

    She's so obsessed with food it gets in the way of her being able to operate rationality.

    let's see her take two up close island splitter quakes from a bloodlusted WSM and have the endurance to keep going on a few minutes later and then let's talk about "invincibility". The fact of the matter is that HALF a SH crew, Capone, Jinbe, Pedro and Carrot have completely trashed and humiliated her this arc - destroyed her cherished Tea Party, stolen a copy of her Poneglyph, eaten her cake, defeated a top fighter of hers, beaten up and abused other subordinates of hers etc etc etc ........ it's been an abysmal portrayal for her and her crew.

    she's been portrayed as a dumb powerful brute, aimlessly swinging her sword without the finesse of a Mihawk or Kizaru and being dumb enough not to even realise when Brook was being replaced from right under her nose or not noticing Jinbe literally escape by steering the Sunny right under her,not even noticing that brook bisected zeus under her feet.

    Fujitora managed to lift up the entire rubble of dressrosa,casually shrugging off luffy's gear 3 attacks WHILE holding the entire rubble of dressrosa,this feat alone would vastly shit on anything big mom has done so far
     
  9. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    ^ I have to point out here that Big Mom tanked a suped up version of a Zeus attack and it barely did anything to her. Zeus is a piece of BM's very soul, and it can sink ships and cause massive storms. Luffy, who regularly does insane stuff whilst smiling, is drawn looking absolutely baffled at the damage output of that Zeus attack.

    BM blocked a running G4 hit with her elbow while standing still. G4 was so strong that in the same situation Doflamingo and Katakuri were completely incapable of stopping themselves from being thrown back violently. BM didn't even move an inch.

    Jinbe is a strong high tier that has an enhanced haki defense, since we haven't seen too many other characters block with a technique (I believe Katakuri did this too when he still had his square mochi active). Jinbe also blocked an Akainu attack before. In terms of feats, she has lived up to her top tier name.
     
  10. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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  11. Big Mom The Sweet Tooth Yonkou

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    I'm going to break this down one by one:


    Couldn't even touch? She sent Jinbei flying and damaged him despite him putting up his best haki defense. And when did she even fight Luffy while enraged? All I remember is Luffy and co. running from her and making it by on the skin of their teeth. Also, in this match, what does her two commanders going down have to do with anything? Snack went down to Urouge, yes, but then Cracker swiftly defeated Urouge and sent him packing. Luffy defeated Cracker thanks to the assistance from Nami.

    She didn't kill the Germa because the main characters interfered and because, ya know, plot. In battle, she ABSOLUTELY demolished the Germa, so that more than makes up for it.

    When was this exactly? He hit her and sent her flying, but she recovered pretty quickly with little to no damage actually done to her. And that was a weakened Big Mom.

    Once again, you are using feats of a severely weakened Big Mom. She already swiftly defeated Brook using Zeus, and tanked all of the thunderbolts Nami sent her way. She also managed to react to a Gear 4 Luffy, so had she not been weakened, she would have been more than capable of reacting to Brook.

    Or you lack the ability to see her feats for what they are, impressive. She tanked arguably the most amount of damage we have ever seen a character take outside of Whitebeard. She is a master of several different fighting styles, including elemental attacks, devil fruit attacks, swordsmanship, brawler, etc. The one and only time we ever saw her get serious, she ended up fodderizing the entire Germa in seconds/minutes, fending off both Luffy and Sanji effortlessly, and clashing with Gear 4 Luffy with a smile on her face.

    The same can be said of Luffy no?

    Honestly, I'm sure she would be able to take two quake punches from Whitebeard, especially if Akainu can (and Akainu doesn't have a reputation as an Iron Balloon).

    Yes, that happened, but you are discounting the fact that this is One Piece and the main characters are the Strawhats, of course they will be able to accomplish this.


    She was aimlessly swinging her blade while in her enraged mode, we have no idea of her usage with it when not. Also, she was asleep when Brook was stolen (and still almost killed the Strawhats). And ONCE AGAIN, those are the feats of a weakened enraged Big Mom.

    I found Big Mom creating a gigantic storm over Whole Cake Island to be impressive.
     
  12. Milkydean Well-Known Member

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    Katakuri being such a beast should speak volumes about how much of a beast BM is gonna be.At this point I feel Katakuri should easily give high-extreme diff fight to Fujitora.That pretty much sums up that Fuji is gonna have a lot of trouble against sane BM.
     
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  13. TheWiggian World's Strongest

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    Katakuri is literally stronger than starving Big Meme, this is undisputeable at this point.
     
  14. Admiral Kizaru One Piece Expert

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    If BM plans to fight another top tier she better bring a packed lunch with her or a bucket of KFC. :skully
     
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  15. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    Destructive Power = Fierce Tiger >> Ikoku (her strongest attack for now)

    Durability = Meme.

    Color of Observation = I am going to give it to the blind.

    Color of Armament = Meme managed to take a Kong Gun using CoA even though she at least has freakish durability. Fujitora so far didn't use CoA against any opponent. not even against Sabo so it remain to be seen.

    Conqueror's Haki = No idea if Fujitora has it or not.
     
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  16. Magnet40 TRAPalgar Law

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    Big Mom mid-high/ high-low diff

    Her strength is greater than his. On Zeus she’s probably faster than he is, and gravity won’t work on Prometheus like it didnt on Sabo, then she could rush him on Zeus and use Prometheus to drop enormous fire on them, and stall him with Napelom Swordplay
     
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  17. TheWiggian World's Strongest

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    Big Mom isn't eating Issho's Ramen. He high diffs her. After 8+ hours of the fight she will start to weaken and starve while Fuji can go on for up to 10 days.

    Issho simply outlasts her. And she haven't shown anything to overwhelm him straight away.
     
  18. Shrike Let's Baby

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    Big Mom high diff.
     
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  20. shisuiuchiha5 Well-Known Member

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    big mom would low difficulty fujitora?are you stupid?

    Big Mom has a gravitational pull of her own that is stronger than Fujitora.
    waht do you mean by saying that big mom has a gravitational pull of her own that is stronger than Fujitora?

    look at how shit she is

    she could not even touch luffy and jimbei WHILE ENRAGED



    even a scrub like chooper managed to stop her attacks



    even jimbei managed to overpower big mom,jimbei did something soo great that even daifuku was surprised,just shows how pathetically weak big mom is



    even brook managed to shit on big mom and bisect zeus



    she got thundered again and is in pain



    big mom has been a joke soo far,she cant even capture half a straw hat crew lol,this has been by far the worst display of any top tier character so far.

    what makes you think that someone with such poor display of feats is going to low difficulty fujitora?
     
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  21. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    You aren't very smart are you?

    Big Mom >>>> G4 Luffy >>>>> G3 Luffy >>> Ishoo ;)
     
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  22. shisuiuchiha5 Well-Known Member

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    big mom has been shit throughout the entire arc,she can barely capture the straw hats,she could not even touch luffy and jimbei while enraged,she is getting tired after a few hours of fighting against fodders,she has been shit throughout tthe entire arc.and lol just becuase luffy in g3 pushed back fujitora doesnt mean luffy is way stronger than him.
    zoro pushed back fujitora as well,so does that mean fujitora is weaker than zoro?
     
  23. Exping Well-Known Member

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    Big mom slaps fujitora

    then fuji blocks it with his sword and uses slices her head off
     
  24. TheOnlyOne1 Well-Known Member

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    Lol at people thinking Fujitora will Mid diff Big Mom. :psyduck

    Also I think people are confusing her condition. Her children refer to her condition as "One of her fits". That suggests it's an occasional thing. It doesn't happen every time she fights longer than an hour. How would she become a Yonkou without being able to fight strong opponents? That does't even add up. Some of the Luffy fights pre-ts had him use up days worth of stamina that he had to sleep off later and eat to regain. Big Mom would've been dead a long time ago if she got into one of those fits every time she had to exert her energy and got hungry.
     
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    She wins high difficulty unless there's PIS
     
  26. shisuiuchiha5 Well-Known Member

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    Nobody in the series can low difficulty the admirals,not even Roger.

    Fujitora wins high difficulty.
    All fujitora needs to do is simply gravity crush big mom,and since big mom is a very heavy person,she is not getting out of the gravity.

    Then fujitora can drop meteors on big mom,and big mom can't handle meteors.

    Fujitora wins high difficulty
     
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    1) Fan fiction, right out of your asshole, you have zero evidence of this, however whitebeard if he was healthier and old would 2 hit akainu without being hit once, that's low difficulty, so prime wins even harder.

    2) That's fucking retarded, ishoo is weaker than katakuri potentially
     
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    how is katakuri going to be stronger than fujitora when he lost to a scrub like luffy??

    katakuri had an undefeated record because he did not fight akainu aokiji and the other admirals.

    kizaru vs katakuri:
    kizaru can low difficulty katakuri.

    If sanji can dodge katakuri then I have no doubts that kizaru would speedblitz him for days.

    Also katakuri could not even dodge Luffy in snakeman

    also kizaru can travel at the speed of light which makes him easily the fastest character in one piece.

    even if katakuri has a very good observation haki,even he would not be able to dodge attacks which are at speed of light


    katakuri vs fujitora:
    all fujitora needs to do is gravity crush katakuri and drop a meteor.

    katakuri cannot deal with meteors and ferocious tiger would be enough to kill him.
     
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  29. shisuiuchiha5 Well-Known Member

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    how the hell is issho/fujitora weaker than katakuri?

    aside from kenbonshoku haki ,fujitora is vastly superior than katakuri in every aspect.
    fujitora can gravity crush katakuri and can simply drop meteors.
    the guy lost to a scrub like luffy,he is not going to win against admirals.

    commanders are trash

    it took luffy only 18 months to reach commander level,and he has already destroyed cracker and katakuri,but he is stilll nowhere near admiral level
     
  30. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    Aokiji is an admiral. He lasted against Akainu for 10 days. Akainu is also an admiral.

    Marco is a Yonkou FM. He lasted against Akainu for 10 seconds.

    Two admirals superior to a FM, and the assumption is FM => Admiral? :neutral

    Katakuri controls Mochi. Luffy ate through his awakening.

    Fujitora controls Gravity. Luffy was completely helplessly tossed when he actually used his gravity.

    Luffy was shown beating Katakuri.

    Luffy was shown escaping from Fujitora.

    Katakuri's final attack against Luffy was a diced Mochi move that a heavily injured Luffy tanked and recovered from in 10 minutes.

    Fujitora's test meteors (that he can use while eating) sent Doflamingo, the SHs, and Law into a panic.

    How is it retarded to think Fujitora is superior to Katakuri? Isn't it a bit more silly to think Katakuri is stronger than a character that the main character had to escape from?

    Luffy ate his awakening that Katakuri himself said was meant to kill him. On top of that Katakuri said he always takes his opponents seriously and was portrayed being dead serious against Luffy. He still lost. He has no more to show. Accept that Katakuri was a cool guy that popped up, but his time is up. Him beating the shit out of Luffy for awhile doesn't mean he's admiral level, Lucci and Croc did the same shit.
     
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