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Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto vs EMS Madara?

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  1. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Some users seem to be under the assumption that even without Kurama still EMS Madara > Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto.. Who would win in a deathmatch?

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    Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto. Firepower wise simply better and can keep up with him in terms of speed. If he has Wood Dragon the match becomes a "could go either way" kinda scenario.
     
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    This is EMS Madara not Edo Madara
     
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    He blows ps away with senpo charged dama, we see that a senpo boost can make a technique over a dozen times more potent hell it turned a fodder genjutsu from tatsuya into uchiha brother oneshotter...then you add that boost to a bijudama that is already a dozen times larger then yang kurama and madaras ps gets blown to shit. Ontop of that madaras firepower cannot bypass his bm avatar let alone his bsm avatar as his ps strike is in canon inferior to bijudama and can be blocked with a tail no damage. Worst comes to worst he can charge frogsong in the bsm avatar with ma and pa safe in the avatar boosted by kn cloaks while madara cannot interrupt or bypass the avatar once its unleashed its gg.
     
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    BSM Naruto has way too much firepower with Senpo: Bijuudama Barrage and Senpo: Cho Odama Rasengan Shuriken Barrage. BM Naruto tanked 1st Form Juubi Bijuudama and KCM Naruto tank 2nd Form Juubi Tenpenchii, now imagine BSM Naruto durability using his Tails. BSM Naruto also has the speed, strength, firepower, durability and sensing advantage compared to EMS Madara. BSM Naruto wins Mid Difficulty at worst.
     
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    Madara fodderstomps.
     
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  8. Mar55 The Darkness Rises

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    Quite unlikely.
     
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    Naruto lays the smack down on the emo.
    He has enough firepower and hax to blow Madara a new hole. Sage enhanced jutsus ( his usual ones are pretty OP already ) will burst through susanoo.
     
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  10. Muah HADE BARA BOGE PYA

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    Madara tricks,naruto and one shot him. Naruto was strong af but was gennin-jounin level as far as jutsu skills, smarts experience. Compared to a guy who fought basically the entire world knew about the eight gates, fought Hashirama on the daily kmew how yo.work the rinnengan. Then kinda soloed the bijuu though i dont think it was this versiom of naruto.
     
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    This simply comes down to Portrayal. Is EMS's Madara Perfect Susano'o more powerful than Sasuke's CS enhanced one that was paired along side Naruto's very same BSM? If not then Naruto has a shot, if yes then Madara's PS, even with it's limited showcasing without Kurama, is still supposed to be seen as superior.
     
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    EMS Madara PS tanked a TBB from Full kurama which is more powerful than anything in naruto's arsenal, so nothing in naruto's arsenal can breach his PS. Madara's sword can carve out mountains just by swinging it and the shockwave will be enough to destroy mountains. Naruto can only stay in BM for 8mins so madara would out last him and when he reverts back to base , madara kills him
     
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    And BM has 9 tails

    So basically Madara is way behind in firepower, his two swords are easily stopped, his Susanoo hands are easily stopped, his Susanoo is easily restrained and Susanoo is busted with a plus the added Senjutsu boost to it.
     
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    This was the result of both Avatars being of same strength and fire power, RSM PS = RSM BM. Whilst Madara's PS > BSM Avatar. So this is a flawed comparison
    Another flawed argument, how can he be behind in fire power when just the shock wave from his sword can destroy mountains when naruto needs TBB to achieve said feats? His susano sword was able to destroy wood golem which is equal to full kurama and yet BM Naruto who is inferior to full kurama will stop it?:ohlord
    Naruto's TBB is weaker than Full kurama's TBB, i have scaled it many times in the past for you and others yet you still spout more of the same thing again and again :ohlord
     
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    Madara’s PS can tank whatever Naruto can do and Madara can hold his mecha longer then Naruto who’s time limit is prolly 10 minutes or less most likely
     
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    The first example comes from a Biju Mode that is Rikudou chakara as well. I believe BSM is far less durable than RSM Biju Mode avatar. The second link has nothing to do with Perfect Susano'o.

    First of all when BM ever restrained a PS. Secondly you do know that a Biju Dama that big would engulf the entire area which includes Naruto's avatar as well, right?. Just look at the AOE on this much smaller TBB.(Chapter 621 page 3) Unless you are implying that Naruto BSM is more durable than Madara's PS, I don't see how one gets busted and the other one doesn't; Especially if you have Naruto restraining PS, which means he's in the blast radius of his own TBB.
     
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    Sasuke doesn't have RSM, he has Rinnegan.

    If you remove the influence of Rikudo gifts from both Rinnegan PS and RSM BM, then you get the same result PS=BM, unless you think Rikudo was partial and buffed one of them more than the other.

    And I believe that an EMS PS would be far less durable and clearly less powerful than a Rinnegan PS which was slashing entire mountain ranges worth of CTs. But still maintain it's relative strength to BM.

    So you agree with me?

    Based on nothing.

    Cutting a mountain top only puts him barely on par with any other generic Bijuu which unlike Madara can completely vaporise said mountain.

    And BM > 5 Bijuus firepower so he is behind on firepower. Swords are countered and flicked away as said.

    Speaking of flawed arguments how is wood golem equal to Full Kurama when wood golem cannot cut or vaporise mountains?

    And further wood golem was able to stop PS sword, so that means destroying mountains isn't a pre-requisite to stopping PS? Just strength?

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    BM Naruto's TBB explosion would be , which is still way bigger than Madara's even while exploding up in the air.

    Even without doing all this the fact that while should be a dead giveaway which attack is stronger.

    Well obviously BM never restrained PS in manga, Madara never brought it out vs Naruto and Naruto played defence for far too long vs Sasuke, if it did we wouldn't be having this discussion.

    Second link is very much relevant because it shows how much strength a BM tail has and if all 9 of them are put to use they can restrain any object whose size is around Bijuu level or above.

    Madara's PS would be taking the brunt of the attack, unable to defend himself while Naruto can still take defensive measures like wrapping the remaining of tails around his body.

    Sure. SM boost and all.
     
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    Naruto destroys him.

    Asspulldara will need the plot to be heavily biased to him (as per always) if he wants
    to win this.
     
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    I think he meant having Rikudo's chakara. Hence how he was able to hurt a Juubi Jin without aid of Naruto or Juugo.

    But this is Madara's PS, which was clearly depicted as in between Sasuke's makeshift Juugo enhanced V3 Susano'o with legs which was rivaling BSM in terms of power, and Sasuke's Rikudo chakara enhanced PS. Either way it's still not an accurate depiction based off portrayal alone. As Sasuke never officially unlocked PS until he had the Rinnegan. Which makes things extremely hard when trying to utilize Sasuke as a substitute for Madara, as EMS Madara was depicted as stronger than EMS Sasuke even without Kurama.

    But once again we are using Sasuke's EMS feat to represent Madara's. When EMS Madara was still depicted as stronger than EMS Sasuke even without Kurama. Sasuke simply didn't have the mastery over Susano'o like Madara did at the time of his EMS epilogue. Yet EMS Sasuke was still able to keep up with Naruto's BSM with his Curse seal enhanced stage 3 Susano'o with legs.(Which was far superior to the one's used against the Kage's by Edo Madara based on size alone, but still depicted as weaker than EMS Madara's PS)


    I agree that BSM=EMS's Sasuke variation of PS. But EMS's Sasuke PS wasn't depicted to be as complete as EMS's Madara's PS. It doesn't help that EMS's Madara's PS was depicted to rival the full power of Kurama. While Sasuke's only rivaled Sage enhanced 50% Kurama with Jugo's help.

    You cannot utilize EMS Sasuke as a substitute for EMS Madara. No more than you can utilized Rinnegan Sasuke as a substitute for EMS Madara. Sasuke Susano'o was either clearly weaker than his or clearly stronger than his when we're discussing EMS Sasuke vs. Rinnegan Sasuke.

    That's not exactly true if we are utilizing Sasuke as a medium. EMS Sasuke's most powerful variation of Susano'o was keeping up with the very same BSM Naruto we are discussing. And we can both agree that EMS Madara's Susano'o was powerful than EMS Sasuke's variation based on the virtue of being complete.

    But even if we were to say Naruto does this....Doesn't that mean Naruto is in proximity of Susano'o? Thus a TBB would mean either death to both avatars; especially if we're are talking about the one the size of the Biju you linked.

    Once again I have no qualms about being able to restrain Susano'o; although PS Power, especially Madara's, was depicted to be far more than any of the bijus showcased to be restrained by Kurama tail. It's the what happens after that got me baffled. How does Naruto attempt to blow up Madara's PS with a TBB the size of the one showcased in you first link without blowing up himself. Wouldn't the TBB being utilized in that link be the size of the distance between Kurama's tails and Madara's PS?

    How when it's clearly going to take more than one tail to restrain PS. And how can Naruto simultaneously wrap himself with his tails and fire a TBB the size of the one depicted by the Bijus in that panel. The explosion would go off before Naruto has the chance wrap anything around himself because a TBB that size would engulf the entire area. Besides we've seen the extent of defensive capabilities of Naruto's BSM and it was equivalent to Sasuke's Curse seal enhanced V3 legged Susano'o. BSM Naruto isn't tanking anything that Madara's PS couldn't.



    But this is simply not true, as BSM defense was depicted be as formidable as Sasuke's Curse seal enhanced V3 legged Susano'o, in which we both can agree was a step below Madara's PS. Madara's PS manage to tank a TBB from a 100% nine tails.
     
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    Madara wins, PS + EMS precog + way better giant constracts Taijutsu skills are clearly above BSM Naruto's capacity.
     
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    BSM Naruto wins this. Stronger fire power and a stronger defence. Madara doesn't have a chance of winning.
     
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    Sasuke has Rikudou chakra, you know what i meant so moot point
    No, if we remove rikudou gifts from both of them then BM Naruto > PS Sasuke, as it was before they got Sage chakra.
    Madara's PS is more durable than BM Avatar as it tanked Full kurama's TBB which is stronger than everything in naruto's arsenal. It's shock wave from his sword can slice mountains. His PS is equal to full kurama who is greater than BM Naruto. It's not really hard to comprehend
    And? That was just the shock wave of the attack not the actual sword. Plus his sword was able to destroy both wood golem and mountains at the same time. Note, wood golem was able to tank a TBB from full kurama which is greater than everything in naruto's arsenal and madara destroyed it effortlessly
    When will you learn how to scale? Am sure even though i debunk all these arguments you will still spout the same thing in a different thread. BM Naruto have more fire power than the 5 Bijuus but his fire power is weaker than full kurama TBB. Wood Golem tanked a TBB from full kurama yet it was destroyed effortlessly by Madara's PS sword slash and yet you say he is behind in fire power?:ohlord
    Wood Golem tanked full kurama's TBB which means it is equal in durability with Full Kurama. It does not need to have the fire power to destroy mountains to match full kurama. It does need to be able to tank kurama's TBB which he did and able to match him in strength.
    Yes he caught PS sword when the sword came down vertically, but it could not stop it when

    BM Naruto does not have the fire power to match Full kurama TBB or the durability to imply it can tank a TBB from full kurama and he can get out lasted by Madara
    You are really poor at scaling arent you? I guess i have to scale it for you then
    , look how small gyuki is in the middle, and BM Naruto's TBB is as big or slightly bigger than that. A normal TBB from each biju .

    This is is, considering gyuki is equal to other bujuus and 5 bijuus in terms of chakra and fire power is < BM Naruto and full kurama is 2x the chakra of BM Naruto. the explosion from that TBB is compared to the ones the other bijuus fired. Do you see how small it is? Note, the crater in orange is the crater of a normal TBB and BM Naruto's TBB is just slightly bigger than that yet it looks like an ant compared to TBB that gyuki and kurama fired.
    No, BM Naruto's TBB is equal to 5 TBB from the bijuus, not bigger. It was the same size and he matched their fire power with his own, and the explosion of the combined TBBs from BM Naruto and the other Bijuus is not even as big as the explosion of the crater i showed you above
     
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    I was just diagnosed with Brain Cancer
     
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    And that's not even in Sage Mode!
     
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    So this whole mess is you trying to use BM Naruto's and Bee's combined TBB that they spent a long time charging and passing it off as full Kurama's feat? When Madara has NEVER managed to make a TBB even remotely as big as BM Naruto and Bee did?

    :mjlol

    You do realize that depending on the Jinchuriki skill and the time they spend on charging TBB- that is the size of TBB, it's power varies?

    Show me the page where Madara makes Kurama do a single TBB that is equal in size to BM Naruto's and Bee's TBB.

    Hilarious that we have to use such a roundabout way when we have an

    Instead of using it's own feats better copy paste other Bijuus and JIns.

    Is BM Naruto's TBB equal to Bee or is it equal to combined TBB from 5 bijuus?

    What is your position.

    I fell unless I understand what I am arguing against it would be like banging my head on a wall.
     
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    Guess i was right, you really don't know how to scale. We know how big a TBB is but in each panel, kishi is not going to draw it big as he did on other panels even with the explosions. Lemme give you example,
    This is from BM Naruto is, do you see how it was able to match the TBB from 5 bijuus? Look how the TBB of 5 bijjus at the top of the scan, do you see how it was big enough to cover all of them yet naruto matched it in size and power. SO that's the size of naruto TBB, but kishi have already given us the size of BM Naruto TBB so he won't be drawing it that big in every scan as he did last scan, for example you can see how small it is right? But we already know how big it is already. Even with TBB explosions, , it is not even bigger than mountains yet we know how big a TBB explosion is since kishi had already given us it's depiction, and , tell me if the explosions on the scans i provided match with the former, look how small it was, and , it covered both gyuki and juubi and that explosion was even bigger than the TBB that destroyed mountains.

    Just to give you an insight, of Full Kurama TBB, because it was far you might think its small but it's not. That TBB has more chakra in it than BM Naruto's TBB which is as big as . You see how big the TBB from 5 bijuus is compared to them right? That's how big BM Naruto's TBB is since he matched it in size and power and Full kuaram should be bigger since he has more chakra
    Already addressed this above
    Already addressed above
    It is equal to the combined TBB from 5 bijuus and > than Bee
     
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    Some circular logic being used here.
     
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    These two TBBs are not the same power.

    The first one is dozens of times bigger and more powerful than normal TBB.

    The second page shows Naruto using 5 normal TBBs that are the same size and power as Bee's 4 normal TBB.

    This is where you go horribly wrong. Explains everything lol. This is not a matter of artistic limitation or negligence.

    Naruto has used different sized TBBs and they vary in power, unless you get this simple point you won't understand.

    Also this is NOT Bee's TBB-
    He pushes Juubi's bomb inside it's own stomach and the Juubi's stomach inflates because it's own bomb explodes. See the full sequence.



    I might have to expand even more on this topic later.
     
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    BSM Naruto stomps his ass lol.

    Speed that can keep up with a Jubi Jin blitzes the heck out of Madara and keeps him off balance.

    Clones that can toss a biju take Madara off of his feet and leave him on his ass the whole fight.

    Clones and feints keep Madara from landing anything serious. FCD pins him down when needed. He can also cloak

    Senjutsu Flash TBB that's 10x the size of the one he took at VotE blast his armor to pieces.
    Inb4 "if you can take one punch you can take 10!" Or "mouth sized TBB is stronger than one bigger than a biju and filled with Senjutsu."

    Madara can't hurt Naruto seriously unless you think PS slashes are
    alot stronger than than a Jubi laser. And one of those couldn't even kill him in his BASE BM form.
    Let alone that same form in sage mode.

    Rasenshruiken that cut the Jubi Tails like butter will do a number on him as well.


    This of course assumes that the fight gets to that point when Madara has nothing that can handle him without their constructs. Especially since Naruto doesn't even need to transform to launch a TBB.
     
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    Even in BM, I'd say he can't.
    Which many seem to forget.
     
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