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Blackbeard Vs Sengoku

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by Tsarine, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. Tsarine

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    If the fight continued between those two who would have won ?

    Scenario 1 : crew excluded
    Scenario 2: crew included
     
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    Sengoku, easily. Blackbeard was power drunk when he was attacking Marineford. Once he got his senses back he ran for his life from Akainu. There's no reason to think MF Sengoku is that much weaker than Akainu, the man's an Admiral.
     
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    Not like it would be easy fight, but I can't see Sengoku losing it.
     
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    we are talking about current Teach?

    high diff win for Teach ... easy ... anime gave too much false hype to Sengoku Vs Teach .. Teach tanked Sengoku attack with no DF and his own body ...

    Sengoku stand NO CHANCE
     
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    Its MF version for both
     
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    Not engough information. In manga it was basically one panel clash. Sengoku used his shockwave to make Teach and his crew bleed. Anime expanded it a bit and we saw how Sengoku canceled his gura shockwave (at least its weaker versions). Teach didn't even use Yami in both cases (manga and anime).
     
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    Teach have Yami Yami and there is NO DF user that can feel safe in front of him

    if he can use this power to hurt WB ... he can do it to Sengoku as well ... but this time his punches are Gura Gura punches

    so in one Vs one ... Teach have a LEGIT shot to win ... I would say the two are around same level ... but Sengoku should have the benefit of doubt
     
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    Yami isn't as cool as it seems if your opponent isn't logia with let's say not best physical stats. Dying WB didn't really need his DF to deal with him.

    Of course he's stronger with Gura, but still he does have it like for 5 minutes and he's still injured while Sengoku didn't take a hit for entire battle.
     
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    Blackbeard already put Sengoku in bandages after he was 2v1'd with Garp, doubt there's much Sengoku can do.

     
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    Whether it's pre or post TS Sengoku wins both scenario.
     
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    I'm not talking about very same place ... at least it need to be a fresh Teach ... we are talking about a fair fight right?
     
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    "If the fight continued"
     
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    In the anime Sengoku did repel teach's darkness, if you pay attention closely we can see Teach using his fruit but still getting hit by shockwave.

    I suspect that sengoku repelled it with advanced armamament then used his shockwave.
     
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    it's anime ... in anime Teach one shot the entire Whitebeard Pirate ...
     
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    Teach wins. This is an out of his prime Sengoku.
     
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    We saw what out of prime sick whitebeard was capable of
     
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    I know the old versions of the last gen are often overrated here...but am I missing something with Sengoku? At least the other old guys have feats that you could make an argument for but Sengoku hasn’t done anything impressive except for managing to stand on his two feet for almost the entirety of the Paramount War. I give this to Teach.
     
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    He is a fucking admiral, wtf is wrong with you lot.
     
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    Until Sakazuki we had no reason to assume that FA > Admiral. It’s a higher rank, but we don’t k ow how long Sengoku has had that title, or how much his strength has changed from since he was an Admiral.

    Edit: Look at Rayleigh. In his prime he was probably top 5 in an era with Roger, Prime WB, Prime Garp, etc. Now look at him in comparison to that.
     
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    FA or Admiral it doesn’t matter, that is still above pre TS BB scope.

    Ray is still a top tier now nevermind pre TS.
     
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    It does matter, because, again, we don’t know if time was kind to Sengoku or not. From what we saw, he barely did anything to pre-ts Luffy when he hit him. He also got the work from Teach already with Garp by his side. Even if you argue outlier, you can’t show me one thing he’s done that’s above the negative for old Sengoku.

    Ray is no where near what he was in his prime, which is my point, and he himself implied that. Ironically y’all also overrate old Ray here. I’m not surprised. :lbj
     
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    He got work from teach? Drop these panels, he attacked BB and his crew, Garp getting involved and punch burgess didn’t happen either. Luffy took a point blank kick from Kizaru and was still okay, he is the MC he was never going to die. What’s a 100% fact is sengoku being an admiral, if Garp, Ray and heck even dying old WB were able to stay top tiers no matter their decline why wouldn’t Sengoku the most healthiest looking of them all (full black hair) be effected the most?

    Ray would rip out Pre TS BBs heart with his bare hands, what are you talking about?
    BB was running with his tale between his legs from Akainu with his crew while Ray was able to comfortably stop Kizaru in his tracks and didn’t need to retreat, given Kizaru had a war to attend and probably didn’t risk getting hurt before it.

    What I’m trying to tell you is that there is a big gap between top tiers and the rest, a big fucking gap which Kaidou has the pleasure of showing us. BB was NOT a top tier pre TS, Sengoku IS still a top tier nevermind pre TS, when he was active marine and general.
     
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    The only confrontation during the war that he could have sustained any damage from was when he and Garp confronted Teach and his crew. After the war, Sengoku can be seen in bandages..obviously Teach wasn’t captured or significantly injured by Sengoku (nor his crew for that matter) even after WB stuck his bisento through his neck. Also, if you go back to the chapter, you can see Garp step up to aid him against the BBPs.

    Ray should beat Yami Teach, but that’s not a stomp by any capacity. Especially not Gura Teach. Again, we place Ray at different points in his current state, even though evidence stacks him closer to the strength of a YFM...but that’s another story. Ray didn’t comfortably stop anybody and of course Teach would flee from Akainu. Even if he could stalemate him why would he take that fight?

    What? Even if the old guys were top tiers, their feats point to bottom of the barrel. If you honestly scale them to Kaidou then you’re lost dude. With that being said, none of the old guys proved that they’re up there at this point in their lives. Sengoku has shown nothing, absolutely nothing that makes him that strong as an old guy. He has no hype, no feats and no top tier portrayal as an old guy.
     
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    it was a war... fighting BB would not be the only place he got wounds from, though bandages are Odas favourite accessory for characters, it’s as simple as this BB can’t go from matching and as you think damaging/ pushing Sengoku AND GARP than run away from Akainu, that’s makes as much sense as Akainu trying to go after Boa Hancock and Not BM/ Kaidou alliance.not a single panel of BB exchanging blows with Sengoku or Garp after that panel because they were never seen next to each other again, this also the same sengoku who had won the war already and was just trying to send BB home and telling him to go away and carry on destroying their island.


    Pre TS Ray> Post TS Ray> Kata >~Pre TS BB
    BB isnt getting stomped because he can take a beating but in no way is he beating a top tier, pre TS I had BB at yc2 or at best lower end of YCFM level, I would still put the likes of Kata above him during the MF war of course.

    They are top tiers though, WB was still the WSM, Garp (do I need to say anything), Ray was still able to match an admiral as the least active and if I’m honest lowest hyped old top tier and Sengoku was still the Fleet ADMIRAL because in case you forgot, being admiral is very much about strength FIRST than everything else.
    Their feats don’t point to any where in any spectrum. WB again was the strongest and Garp is the second if that tbh, Ray and Sengoku could be considered towards to bottom end but given other than Sengoku not being able to kill the MC with his attack like any and every other top tier in the verse, they have nothing to suggest that they would be weaker than say Shanks who is a rival to some one who couldn’t fodderise Vista, this is the same shanks that is keeping the other yonko/ top tiers at bay and this so called Big bad Kaidou was sent running back by, now the oldies don’t have feats worse than staling Vista... so what do you mean?

    Sengoku being the Fleet Admiral is the hype and portrayal he needs, the yonko didn’t have any feats till now, Garp doesn’t have that many feats but is more than packing in the hype and portrayal point. Twice over now, Sengoku himself and his position have been hyped since the TS, one is that he is the only confirmed MARINE top tier to posses the kings haki, and his position again was praised as top of the food chain for the marines when Mother caramel had baby BM hyped to have POTENTIAL to be Fleet admiral and not JUST an admiral.


    Feats is the only thing that sengoku is lacking but that is more to do with him not having the right screen time, but his hype and portrayal have always top notch, Garp may overshadow it at times but that’s it, the rest of the admirals don’t have as much going for them other than Akainu who has more going for him than anyone else as the only confirmed top tier to beat another top tier, which every pirate with the Worlds strongest title still haven’t done.
     
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    Sengoku is even above regular Admirals level for sure. He was Shiki rival who himself had a comparable strength to that of Roger.

    Roger=Garp>=Shiki=Sengoku. The power gap is just by a small margin if there is.
     
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    ...Sengoku literally stood next to Ace on the execution platform up until Luffy reaches with the key...after that he only exchanged blows with BB...after that he was seen with bandages. It doesn’t get more cut and dry as that.


    Beautiful fanfic. Again, Ray’s feats don’t put him above the same feats that Marco and Jozu displayed against Saka and Kuzan.
    Then this works in favor for Teach because it just so happens that Sengoku is not a top tier. He has displayed no top tier feats. He doesn’t have top tier hype nor portrayal as an old timer.

    Whybdo you feel you can just scale all of the old timers to WB? WB has his title going for him, even if he didn’t put Akainu in the ground with two punches...I don’t see the correlation between him and the other guys. Ray struggles to keep up with Kizaru vs what WB did to Saka. Sengoku stood on his two feet during the entire war vs what WB did to Saka. Garp punched Marco and left a bruise (wooooo) vs what WB did to Saka. See the trend? WB is the painfully obvious exception and realistically he’s the only old timer that has legitimately shown beyond doubt that he was still a top tier. Sengoku has had his position for a very long time. In his prime he was a top tier, but in his old age who knows? He definitely isn’t shown us otherwise. He could have simply maintained his position through his old age. Why would they replace him other than if he were to step down, which is what he did?

    I’ll respond to the rest later.
     
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    Shiki isn’t on Roger’s level. He was placed below Kaido and BM in Rocks.

    He’s just a movie villain with fake hype.
     
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    He is portrayed as a rival to roger, he is weaker by a small margin maybe.
     
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    Sengoku fought the Blackbeard pirates alone for sometime before Garp joined a chapter later :



    Getting bandages after fighting someone with the quake and darkness devil fruits plus Shiryu, Vasco Shot, Avalo Pizzaro, Catarina Devon and Blackbeard's main crew is not as bad as people think.
     
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    Even a Yonko would have bandages against those beasts all together. We have to note that WB fought solo Teach unlike Sengoku
     
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