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Bracket Finals: (3) Sesshomaru Uchiha vs. (11) Zaru

Discussion in 'Bleach' started by Shinji, Jun 4, 2007.

Sess vs. Zaru

Poll closed Jun 10, 2007.
  1. Sess

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  2. Zaru

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  1. Shinji 5th Division Captain

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    This is how it will work:
    For people competing: You should point out why your team wins, and have rebuttals for the other teams scheme and agenda. Their will be a poll. You can vote for your team but its only going to count as 1 point.
    People voting: vote for who you think should win, but you should hold your judgment on your votes until the people competing have given their arguments. Each vote or post or whatever you choose will count as 1 point to the respective team.

    Team Zaru:
    Unreleased Ulquiorra
    Bankai Tousen
    Shikai Yumichika

    VS.

    Team Sess:
    Vizard Shinji(sealed zanpakto)
    Shikai Urahara
    Shikai Ichigo
    SS Ishida

    So You Decide Who Wins!
     
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    It's over you won
     
  3. Solar Bankai In a War against Fail

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    Aye, he won the last round against a near identical team.
     
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    Well I just gonna state what I think.

    Zaru team takes that, SU teams may have more players but overally they have no one on Ulquiorra.

    Shinji was above one handed unreleased Grimmjow who just was heavily pwned by Ichigo. Uqluiorra will be to much for him, especially that we don't know if he has shikai or bankai. Even if he will manage to fight Uqluiorra at the end he will have a nice whole in the chest.

    Just a shikai Urahara will get killed by Ulquiorra. Fast. Also bankai Tousen is to much for him.

    Fangirls die from the hand of Tousen.
     
  5. Solar Bankai In a War against Fail

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    You see, i would agree with this, but it all seems over before it has really begun. The fact Sess won the last battle hands down doesnt help.
     
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    Exactly. He won against tousen/ulquy already, and deep in my heart I know that unreleased ulquy won't defeat vizard shinji.
     
  7. Solar Bankai In a War against Fail

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    I honestly dont see why you just cannot use Tousen Bankai, have Ulquiorra hold his hand and cero the team. It would work, its a cool plan and it is fully valid. No one could see, they all get cero'd to death. Game over.
     
  8. tgre wait what?

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    Shinji has cero too...along with his vaizard maskie.

    Sess.
     
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    But if he cannot see, hear or sense reiatsu, how is he gonna win?
     
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    He still can feal... warm Uluqiorra's cero turning him into dust.
     
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    That warm feeling will never help him winsmile-big
     
  12. tgre wait what?

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    Whoever said that Shinji was going to give Tousen a chance to perform any attack of any sort?
     
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    he cant not give tousen a chance if he's blind. it only takes a minute or two tops for tousen to do bankai really. hand on the ring, ring extends to dome, then you're all WTFBLIND. ulq could defend tousen til then. then tousen holds ulqs hand (ulq is secure in his sexuality)
    cero'd.
    I can't see how zaru cant win to be honest :S
     
  14. easy beef LOLOLHITSUGAYA

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    Lol considering I voted for sess the ratio is 4:1 in votes for me O_o
     
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    Team Sess looks more tough, we haven't even seen everything Shinji can do but he whooped Grimmjow pretty easily. Yumichka isnt much of a challenge to Ichigo or Urahara. SS Ishida could take on Bankai Tousen, after all he tore Mayuri apart.
     
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    That's not ishida in gloves-off-mode. It's ishida who would have been defeated by mayuri.
     
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    lol I'm surprised I'm losing, Zaru even voted for me lol.

    The thing is SS Ishida beats Yumichika easily.

    So then its basically Bankai Tousen and Unreleased Ulqui vs. Shikai Ichigo, Shikai Urahara and Vizard Shinji.

    I believe there is no way in hell that Bankai Tousen is going to beat Shikai Urahara. The fact that Kenpachi used some skill in dodging to prevent his vitals from being hit, serves that Urahara will do better since he is a much more more skillful fighter. Include the fact that he can cut down the area from being cut by Tousen with his blood mist shield. And also he will be able to spam "sing benihime" which will help him out in this battle to create distance and if Tousen gets hit its over.

    Also if you add Shikai Ichigo with Urahara, who he has a similar meat shield as Kenpachi. And can spam Getsuga Tensho. It becomes rather difficult for Tousen.

    So Bankai Tousen defeated.

    As for Ulquiorra, he hasn't really done shit. He beat an Ichigo who only used GT as his only attack nothing else. And it took him two hands to negate it. In my opinion Cero > GT. Shinji's cero proved to due more damage then Ichigo's GT. I doubt Ulqui will be able to due the same to Shinji's cero as he did to Vizard Ichigo's GT. Add to the fact that Shinji is fast. He was able to dodge all of Grimmjows attacks in base form. Grimmjow is faster then bankai Ichigo. Add Shinji's mask, he will gain a reiatsu increase and be even faster.

    I don't think Ulqui can beat Vizard Shinji without releasing.

    And their is no way in hell Ulqui will beat Vizard Shinji and Urahara at the same time. Which will happen if Shikai Urahara beats Bankai Tousen fast.
     
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    You overrate Shinji, Sess. To think that he can defeat Ulquiorra with just his mask, no Shikai or Bankai is incredible. With Shikai, Vizard Shinji > Ulquiorra, with Bankai Vizard Shinji > Released Ulquiorra, but Ulquiorra > Vizard Shinji with sealed sword. If he needed two hands to block the GT, so what? He has other options, you know. He could do a Grimmjow and fire his own cero at Shinji, perhaps. He still has a Zanpakuto.
    You continue ignore my argument for the cero spam in Urahara Bankai, it is a totally valid tactic, and you are totally ignoring the fact that Tousen will not be fighting Urahara the same was as Kenpachi. He could use Demon Arts, perhaps. And assuming this isnt true...
    If Urahara is shooting blindly, even Tousen can dodge that from a distance. So no, if Tousen isnt an idiot, then Urahara shouldnt win with Shikai. At worst, it gets drawn out until Ulquiorra wins against Shinji, then its over because Urahara's shikai does nothing to Ulquiorra.
    If you maintain that Masked Shinji > Ulquiorra, then you should do some point changing for the second tournament.
     
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    Well as you can see everyone feels differently about where Shinji is ranked in Vizard form. I think he can beat Ulqui, and some don't. And the opinion is subjective thats why he is 35 and Ulqui is 40.

    The thing with Tousen he is an idiot. He will go on talking about how awesome his bankai is for hrs. Urahara is not Kenpachi, he is a multiple times smarter and can use his abilities to the fullest. Urahara ain't going to hack and slash, like Kenpachi.
     
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    If I remember correctly, Tousen's Bankai had one weakness: People that don't have fear.

    Which is: Kenpachi.

    Just as ishida was the only one able to move after being affected be mayuri's poison and thus his PERFECT counter, kenpachi was the perfect counter for Tousen's Bankai.

    If you reread the fight, think about what anyone else is going to do in that situation.
     
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    Aizen is the only other one. Of all the characters, Aizen and Kenpachi have no fear.
     
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    the question is will Urahara be fearful? I don't think so. Brains is a big part in attacking the weaknesses in Tousens bankai.

    Kenpachi used some skill in dodging so that his vitals won't be hit.
     
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    Reread the fight.

    Tousen says something quite plausible. Even the slightest fear (you can't feel, hear, see anything) in that darkness slows down your movements, giving Tousen the big advantage needed. He COULD cut the enemy down at the moment he realizes he's in the darkness. The confusion and fear would probably even harm the likes of Urahara, no matter how intelligent he is.

    Now if Tousen doesn't fuck around with talk and minor cuts like in the plot-driven fight against kenpachi, he can defeat shikai urahara in that.
     
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    Yes. Urahara may be an expert analysist and scientist, but he isnt Aizen level and he is not a psychopath like Kenpachi, so he wont be able to deal with Tousen's bankai. Urahara has shown that he likes to analyse skills before battle - he cant do that if he cannot see or hear, or sense reiatsu. His reflexes might be fast enough to do what Kenpachi did (although you must appreciate that what Kenpachi did is INSANELY difficult and requires god-like reflexes), but that just leads on to the next point....
    As this is a battle, we must assume that team-members act as you wish, so Tousen would just go for OHKO on Urahara.
     
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    Also, you seem to forget that Kenpach survived all those cuts.

    He got a hit on Tousen by GETTING HIMSELF IMPALED, and I don't know how many people would just fight on normally after that.
     
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    If you look at what Bleach is like, impalement generally means the battle is over.
    Ichigo - Impaled by Zaraki, needed help to return.
    Rukia - Impaled by Aroniro, possibly dead now.
    Byakuya - Impaled by Shinso, down in one hit.
    Ichigo - Impaled by Ulquiorra, dead until revived.
    Rukia - Impaled by Grimmjow, defeated.
    There may be others, they just sprang to mind...
    Kenpachi - Impaled by Tousen, beat the shit out him afterwards.
     
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    kidding.
     
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    I looked over ch 146 for some reason lol. And I think that statement is overrated. And really is a subjective statement. He says people will experience fear when their light is taken away. But I don't think the first thing Urahara is going to think is how scared he is. He is going to think of a way to use his abilities to defeat him.

    In my opinion any experienced fighter with an area of effect attack can beat Bankai Tousen.

    Kenpachi went through the moment of shock and realized that all but one of his senses were taken away. And he got through it. Their will be a moment of shock where Urahara will be like wtf. But he will do the same as Kenpachi and use his sense of touch to detect Tousen.
     
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