Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by Plague, Jan 4, 2019.
What exactly do you even mean by this? They got stronger with no evidence? How?
I think he meant no serious explanation of how they got that strong.
Remember Krillin vs 0,00000000000001% SSB Goku?
What a fight!
Remember that Toriyama could have avoided easily this insane growth stuff by stating that Broly had fought against so many powerful villains who attacked planet Vampa, and he was ceaselessly training himself there, but he didn't. AT chose instead to make the plain statement that this was Broly's FIRST fight ever, and that's certainly for the reason to emphasize his abnormal growth. Saiyans are known for their capacity to grow remarkably stronger after each fight (in some cases during the fight itself!). This Saiyan capacity is just being taken to extremes with Broly.
The fact that some of you think the power scale can be save is hilarious
these fodders ain't nothing compared to broly
as long as broly brings the $ he will always be one step ahead of every db villain, whenever they decide to bring him up in the plot again
in couple of hours he became stronger than post-ToP levels
the plot literally ''paused'' his power level cuz he is too strong for all those midgets
you like it or not
broly is the almighty saiyan, end of story
Keep in mind that Broly has reached his limits TWICE in the movie.
First when he was in his regular state and Vegeta almost killed him. That’s where Broly used his Oozaru’s power to continue the fight. Then in that form he reached another limit against Blue Goku.
Both times Paragus acknowledged that his son was at his limits.
After that, he couldn’t improve anymore besides going Super Saiyan and then going Full Power against Gogeta.
Sure, Broly has a shit ton of room for improvement but he won’t be able to improve as easily while in a fight. Yes, Saiyans have no limits but see how Goku and Vegeta have stopped growing that much with Zenkais and in-battle improvements.
Broly should be able to surpass Beerus and Jiren for sure if he learns how to control his full power, how to sense and manipulate Ki and if he also gets a Zenkai from the beating Gogeta gave him.
He also has two senzu he will most likely abuse to get even stronger.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t appear for a while though, as Goku and Vegeta have to still catch up to Beerus, and having Broly around, for now, would be too easy for them.
I can give my explanation regarding that without using the concept of "limit" as you did! Broly started relatively weaker than base Vegeta. He kept growing stronger till he pushed Vegeta to go SSG. At that moment, SSG was too much for the growth rate of base Broly. The principle is obvious: the power-level of Broly is not the ONLY thing which is enhanced by his forms (Ikari, SSJ, and FPSSJ), but also his growth rate. So, your statement [After that, he couldn’t improve anymore] is not accurate I would say.
Doesn’t really ruin it, we already have that predicament with the fusion dance.
& they’re not friends yet to where he’d be willing to fight Goku’s battles, especially if it’s on Earth. Goku directly stated he only wants to fight Broly sometimes. Meaning aside from that, he’s just out living his own life.
& he probably won’t really appear until later where tiers are higher enough to not get flat out stomped by him.
Also we have his twin Kale.
He doesn't just ruin villains though. He kind of ruins the series entirely. Both heroes and villains.
No matter how badly Goku and Vegeta get wrecked, we're gonna know Broly's in the ranks. Even if he doesn't want to defend the Earth, if something is a threat to the universe, it's going to affect him indirectly so he's going to have to fight it. +100,000x stronger in under 5 minutes is no joke. And him getting stronger via other means is very easy.
I know I'm coming across as a "hater" but I'm just thinking ahead here. It was very careless of Toriyama and Toei to make a character with growth this absurd. It shits on the main cast.
as if Toriyama and Toei care about thinking ahead
U think they give a shit
They’ll just say he hit a limit regarding his FP or create some bs excuse on why he can’t access it
The reality is he won’t get the same crazy growth he got the next time we see him
It's funny watching how many people have become content with how shit everything is in Dragonball nowadays. Nobody even has hope for the series getting good.
They could always write around it.
I mean there’s still people that do have hope
It just most of us won’t pretend the flaws in this series can be fixed or can be salvaged at this point
Freeza increased his powerlevel by a few billion times in 4 monts, Goku and Vegeta became at least x100 stronger mid Zamasu fight.
So Broly becomes x1000 times stronger per minute? Well this new guy becomes x1000000 times stronger per second.
The real plot breaker is the fusion.
Yea until he doesn't.
His strength grow was plot conveniance.
Guarantees you that if they want him to get shit on by a new antagonist then he'll get shit on and show no improvement in the process.
You talk as if Broly created the problem, forgetting Beerus has been around for longer than him as the one who can solve problems, with Whis also helping out (neutral my ass, look what he did in RoF). There are many ways to work around these characters while still having the main villain(s) feel threatening. For example, an arc where the mortals have to fight the Gods or Demons (after the demons have killed all the Gods or else why would mortals even be needed) would mean every fighter could get a different villain with Goku/Vegeta getting the most powerful one (that’s something Naruto has done a few times, and it worked).
I agree with this. Unless they split Goku and Vegeta around with the former having no possibility of teleporting to the latter, everyone will always ask “why aren’t they just fusing?” and the “muh pride!!” thing is no longer valid now that they have fused for 3 times and have fought together in the ToP.
The “failing fusion” limit is not even a limit considering how the movie played it like a gag with Broly fucking up Freeza for one hour instead of killing him and possibly wreak havoc all over the Earth. If Whis held him for one hour that would have been better, or if other fighters such as Gohan and 17 joined the battle to hold Broly on.
I mean there’s still people that do have hope
It just here we’re not pretending to think it
Dont miss it this time
Hit and Black had the same lazy gimmick and now they're considered fodder to Jiren and Broly
Better hope Broly sticks to the movies because he'll end up becoming fodder too if DB continues the way it always does. He'll have massive growth until suddenly he doesn't anymore and needs to hype up a new villain
Boy, Goku literally has a button to call god
Hit only improved with his time skip. His PL did not get a boost during a fight.
As for Black who knows how strong he would get if he kept getting more and more zenkais? It was not stated that he reached the peak of his potential and was killed in his own arc without any future villain testing his limits.
I think Broly will just stay a "Whis". Namely not get involved in fights. Probably will just train with Goku showing how much stronger he is. But won't solve any problems himself. That is the MC role. And Broly is not the MC.
Well, we will see. Normally previous antagonists who do not die end up indeed overshadowed by new baddies. Though Beerus and Whis stayed ahead despite being introduced quite a while ago. Beerus power in fact was retconned to keep him ahead of Goku. A long term benchmark. Depends if Tori gives Broly the same treatment.
Only thing Broly has ruined is Chirai's pussy