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Broly movie pretty much hints at LSSJ Kefla being > FT Arc SSB Vegito.

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    LSSJ is a much stronger form than SSB, It's backed up by the fact that Broly will demolish the shit out of SSB Goku/Vegeta with it and will seemingly only be stopped by either UI or Gogeta, therefore Kefla's superior strength doesn't have to come from either Kale or Caulifla being superior to Goku or Vegeta but from LSSJ being >>>>> SSB.
    An hypothetic LSSJ Vegito would be much stronger than LSSJ Kale but SSB Vegito isn't.

    Kefla is basically all Caulifla with Kale's OP form, Kale's LSSJ weakness can easily be explained by the fact that she is hilariously weak in her base form compared to Caulifla or Cabba, in fact she might even be weaker than U7's
    Human trio in her base form. Kefla adds the OP form to Caulifla's great base strength which should easily be comparable to Goku's or Vegeta's (Vegeta stated Cabba had equal base form to his own and Caulifla is >> Cabba)
     
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    "I'm going to use a completely different character that functions as the new big bad to justify wanking a character from a previous arc who wasn't even the second-to-last boss"

    terrible with Saint Seiya and terrible with Dragon Ball

    it doesn't end :wow
     
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    Vlad is fucking crazy :lmao
     
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    Smug Pariston avatar suits these wild allegations
     
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    Coming from you :skully :skully :skully

    Btw don't even bring Saint Seiya into this when I destroyed all the retarded OBD posters who couldn't even difference an actual Kamui from a God Cloth and were all saying Seiya's Saggitarius V2 Cloth was a God Cloth even though It's not and was never said to be in any SS content ever released.

    Spoiler:
    Jiren > Vegito
     
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    That hypothesis has so many holes I don't know where to begin.
     
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    ^ (use bro) is still on his Meth
     
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    Broly =/= Kale

    His power could come from fucking anything

    And his form could be completely fucking different from Kales...
    Broly is shown fucking matching SSB goku IN BASE (or a base apparent state) so what are you basing this logic on?



    If anything, the new movie hints at LSSJ being the weakest fucking form so far if Broly can be SSB tier in Base...And then go on to still be SSB tier in LSSJ :lmao
    Like 3 fucking arcs ago :drake

    And its proven false anyway cuz of this



    Vegeta straight tanks a full force enraged hit from SSJ Cabba with a smile on his face and takes 0 damage

    "Equal" fighters dont do that
     
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    Tbf vegeta mastered ssj while cabba just unlocked it
     
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    They didn't even seem equal in Base. This is a case where the actions in the episode blatantly contradict the words being spoken, so we have to pretty much headcanon that Vegeta is just trying to motivate the kid
    Cabba's all exhausted while Base Vegeta was calm
     
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    Once again super need one director and and editor
     
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    Even if you go with the logic that the SSJ form increases its base multiplier over time...

    I also pointed this out
    Since Vegeta made that statement he has gotten wildly more powerful...

    And in the ToP alone he has better base feats than Cabba has fucking SSJ2 feats.

    Refer to Cabba vs Monna and all the times Vegeta oneshot Monna in base

    Then theres the whole Base Fatigued Goku vs Caulifla thing
     
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    That as well
    The fact base Goku gave caulifla Dem hands in base points to vegito superiority
     
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    There's a difference. Broly is a beast while Kefla is piss ant compared to him.
     
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    Does it matter? Updated Vegetto would wipe the floor with her face.
     
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    I have a theory that we should wait for the movie or at least a detailed sinopsis before playing powerlevel math :catthinks
     
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    A current Vegetto fusion will always be much stronger than a current Gogeta one due to the fact that the Potara is the superior and more efficient fusion method.

    If Broly is barely stronger than Gogeta's max then he'd lose to Vegetto.
     
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    Yeah but we don't know if Gogeta will appear or how much effort he is going to make, or how he compares to UI.

    And here we are comparing imaginary Broly as a tool to compare Kefla with an unknown level Vegetto :catsupine
     
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    I personally see Fusion as being something like (A+B)x100. It would explain how Gotenks was so strong and while it's not as overpowered as the Potara, it's still quite a decent increase. It would mean that Gogeta is around 200x stronger than either Goku or Vegeta in equal forms.
     
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    I didn't like the idea of LSSJ being stronger or even on par with MSSB or SSB KK , but that's how it is. Goku legitimately struggled to keep up with Kale even with MSSJ, Kale backhanded both Toppo and MSSB Vegeta with ease in the manga.

    In the anime, she was powerful enough to get the attention of Jiren, which only a few beings can do that (don't come up with Maji Kayo, he just saved Dyspo's ass for fun). So both in Anime and Manga, she was more powerful than SSB.
     
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    False. She's only stronger than SSB in the manga. And that's before she burns herself to death.

    Please do not mix the two medium as they have completely different scaling!



    In the anime it's been proven that Goku only used a little more power than he had in his SSJ2 form. He himself says so!



    「ちょっと力入れていくぞ!」(Chotto riki irete ikuzo) which literally translates to "Let's add a little more power!".

    This is proven true later when a tired Goku only transforms into SSG and it's more than enough to own both SSJ2 Caulifla and a much stronger Kale than the one in the video above casually.

    Please do not spread lies!
     
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    Spreading lies is your speciality.

    Goku is in his SSB form, and he failed to overpower her, she continued to attack without holding back. Goku used SSB but not SSB KK, that's what we can be sure about that ''Let's add a little more power''

    Goku didn't even use SSB against Dyspo, and mixed it with SSG in the anime, using a SSB right from the beginning says a lot.
     
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    Tbh I'm fairly certain Future Trunks Saga arc Goku and Vegeta fusing wouldn't even bother using SSB against her as Vegito. Also no idea how anyone would run literal circles of nonsense to claim DBS Broly has anything to do with Kefla.
     
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    lmao

    Dude what are you on? As a SSB, he was more then a match for SS Kefla, with Kaioken he was dominating her until she went SS2. :lmao
     
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    I think you need to re-read what I just posted. He said he's add a little more power. A little. A little more than what? That's right, SSJ2! Which he used just moments earlier.

    And then a much stronger Kale later gets casually owned by a weakened SSG Goku.

    She's no SSB tier character. Barely SSJ3+ tier.
     
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    Kefla (without SSJ2) forcing Goku to use SSB Kaioken. (and then even losing to LSSJ Kefla) So what's your point?
     
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