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BSM Naruto vs BM Minato, who is faster?

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by ARGUS, Aug 10, 2018.

  1. ARGUS The conqueror

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    finally made a thread
    This thought came to my mind only recently,
    I have a certain view but ill only respond until i hear the reasoning of most people

    so who is more reflexive? and who is the superior character overall?

    edit: by faster i mean PHYSICAL ABILITIES such as reflexes and striking speed
     
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  2. SynGates Member

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    Kishimoto portrayed BM Minato and BSM Naruto to be around the same general level, but Minato has something that Naruto doesn't, and that's FTG.

    Imo, due to that Minato is still the faster of the two.
     
  3. Sage light Well-Known Member

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    Naruto.

    He was portrayed as the superior guy, who surpassed his parents according to the Kyuubi and have better speed feats. While Minato was being blitzed by Juubito.
     
  4. Batzzaro29 Well-Known Member

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    Minato.

    Even with out FTG.

    Base Minato > Base Naruto.

    So Naturally BM Minato > BSM Naruto.
     
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  5. Sage light Well-Known Member

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    Wow....
     
  6. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    Logically, Minato should be faster.

    But in the manga, it does not seem like Minato benefited from KCM whatsoever tbh. :meh
     
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  7. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Naruto, obviously.

    1. Kurama's chakra mixed better with Naruto's than Minato's
    2. Naruto has a level of KCM that Minato has never achieved
    3. Naruto's KCMv2 is much faster than KCMv1
    4. KCMv2's speed is rapidly enhanced by SM

    Its not hard to say Naruto.
     
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  8. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    This is essentially a comparison with sm naruto and base minato in a contest of speed with bm equalized, and minato wins that handily.
     
  9. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    Minato fuck stomps

    In terms of speed...

    BM Minato>>BSM Naruto>KCM Mastered Naruto>Base Minato>=<Initial KCM Naruto>SM Naruto

    The SM boost makes no difference
     
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  10. Kyu ~ █▬█ █ ▀█▀ ~

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    Base Minato > SM Naruto

    Give them the exact same boost and Minato is still faster.

    This ain't complex.
     
  11. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Without Flying Thunder God? Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto
     
  12. Android Laughing at all these Idiots.

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    Naruto easily.

    Base Minato being faster than base Naruto is irrelevant as Naruto's speed boost far exceeds that of Minato.

    KCM lvl 2 + SM >> KCM.

    And there's the fact that Naruto has better feats even with just BM.

    Except we're not giving them the same boost.

    SM enhanced KCM 02 >> KCM.

    Minato doesn't have a second more advanced version of KCM.

    Thank you.
     
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  13. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Minato fan bias ignores these facts. :lmao
     
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  14. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    No...Minato doesnt use the initial state of KCM that Naruto does...

    Theres a difference

    Naruto doesnt gain KCM2 until after gaining cooperation with Kurama...Guess what Minato has?

    Minatos KCM=Narutos KCM2>Initial Pre coop KCM naruto

    Add to that Base Minatos MONUMENTAL speed advantage over Base or even SM naruto...

    And BSM Naruto gets slapped in a contest of speed
     
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  15. hbcaptain Well-Known Member

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    If Naruto was balancing Kurama's own chakra with natural energy to reach BSM, then BSM Naruto would've been "a lot" stronger than BM version in all battle areas, speed included.
    But according to Kurama, Naruto simply fuse his own basic SM (the fusion of base chakra and natural energy) with BM, meaning the gap is only slight, nothing so notable.
    Therefore, it's pretty much obvious that BM Minato is >> BSM Naruto speedwise.
     
  16. ARGUS The conqueror

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    Alright the arguments here clearly didn’t understand the reasoning of this thread


    1. The BM equalizer and equating Base Minato >> SM narutos reflexes is good and all but that’s not how it works.

    BsM is not SM naruto with BM, it is a SM boost on top of BM;

    2. Naruto actually got a BM cloak, with superior buffs to KCM. Minato has no such cloak so his physical abilities are still the same as his KCM abilities
    So in essence its completely false to use this analogy when;

    — Minato didn’t get an additional BM cloak so no buffs there

    — SM is an added buff on BM, Naruto despite being considerably slower than Minato. Is recieving two extra buffs which Minato doesn’t have so the downscaling argument doesn’t apply

    And now we look at feats
    — KCM Minato simply had zero means to tag juubito, and despite his supposed buffs, was getting outclassed by tovieama multiple times, which Is why tobirama was needed for naruto and sasueknto tag him, as well as naruto and Minato to tag him with rasengans

    — BSM naruto on the other hand perceived juubito on his own who was trying to evade his attacks but then he even tagged him therefore forcing juubito to block
    This feat also blows anything kcm/bm Minato can offer

    So to answer my own thread:
    — BSM naruto is faster than Minato as showcased by his feats against huubito which Minato canonically couldn’t display

    — BM Minato however is slightly stronger than hm overall. The additional buff of SM doesn’t negate the FTG advantage Minato has and both don’t need these buffs to destroy the ppl below them, nor would these help then to defeat the ppl stronger than them
     
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  17. Android Laughing at all these Idiots.

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    You have no idea what you're talking about. Like literally not a single clue.

    Minato doesn't have an upgraded KCM cloak. He has never EVER displayed it. He only displayed the initial version. And no, having Kurama's cooperation is irrelevant when KCM 02 Minato never existed in the manga. You can read Munboy and ARGUS's posts for further clarification.

    And to shut down your argument completely, the DB lists Naruto as the only user of KCM 02, which the DB described as "the complete version of KCM".

    And he lists both Minato and Naruto as the two users of the "basic" KCM cloak.

    Naruto has KCM, KCM 02 and BM. Minato only has KCM and BM.

    And the DB is > you. With all due respect.

    So nice try there buddy.

    And Naruto's feats dump on Minato in terms of reflexes or body speed.

    Smacking 5 TBBs away with Shunshin and reacting to, tracking and tagging a Jubi Jinchuriki >>>> anything Minato has ever achieved with foot speed or reflexes.

    So again, nice try.

    (Btw, we are breaking our protocol rules).
     
  18. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    I beg to differ
    Nah

    He just never displayed the initial stage
    No
    Except he did

    And a prerequisite of KCM2 is Kurama coop

    Which Minato has
    Cute :hestonpls
    The DB is a "he" ? :catthinks
    Sure they do :mjlol
    Which is directly compared to Minato :lmao

    A SLOWER Minato than BM or KCM btw :lmao

    And naruto does it in a form Minato himself ALSO has access to so he does this thing called "scale to the feat" :lmao
    Which Minato also does and does it in forms lower than KCM or BM to boot AND against a faster JJ than BSM Naruto ever saw...
    I thought so too
    Then just put me back on ignore and...Well..Ya know...Ignore me?

    You dont have to reply to anything i say...In case thats unclear
     
  19. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    So you'll ignore that KCMv2 provides a superior boost compared to KCMv1. You will also ignore that SM rapidly enhances KCMv2's boost.

    Base Minato is obviously fast, but unless he moves as fast as the Raikage without Hiraishin, then this is overreaching. If you're referencing teleportation, that's fine. Though, physically Naruto would be faster.

    Ay was quite confident that if he knew where Minato would teleport he could hit him with his max speed. Minato responds by teleporting where Ay didn't know he'd teleport. KCMv1 Naruto was faster than Ay's max speed, then with KCMv2, he was faster than that. With BSM he was leaps and bounds above that speed.

    If KCM Minato were to teleport and Naruto knew (via KSMv2 sensing), Naruto would hit Minato if he moved fast enough. He'd just have to move as fast as Ay would be if Ay had KCM, but with 2 forms above that, Naruto could go even faster. So BSM Naruto wouldn't even need his max speed to hit Minato the moment he teleports.

    Guess what, Minato would not be able to react. Especially if Naruto goes on and uses frog fuu ghost punching.
     
  20. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    Understandable you don't know it since Minato doesn't have it. It is the superior form of KCM Naruto obtained when he and Kurama were officially cooperating with each other. :maybe
     
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  22. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    Page/pic? :dank
     
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    @Android, Hussain needed confirmation KCMv2 exists. :hehee
     
  24. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    That's called "BM" not KCMV2 :kobeha
    Of course, I already knew that you are bullshiting. :kanyeshrug



    :gabe
     
  25. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    oh, and that's just a matter of design anyway. Kishi did not want Minato to look similar to Naruto because some had problems
    differentiating between them. That also forced him to changed Minato's hair in KCM, it went up at first like Naruto, however, after
    complaints about them being too similar, he changed that so Minato's hair will be as it is regularly. :lmao
     
  26. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    BM is the full Bijuu form as it is with all Bijuu. The databook explicitly calls that KCM. Hussain, you didn't read anything without Minato in it. :lmao


    From the looks of it, you can't read: "I'll undergo further Bijuu transformation" i.e. further than the one he was using in the page which would be KCMv2. :rotfl
     
  27. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Founder sald and main character salt?! Take it up with the databook. :lmao
     
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    My God, Hussain :facepalm
     
  29. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    Go back to the threads made in 2013.
    Yes, this was a thing. Whether you want to believe it or not, it's up to you. :catshrug
     
  30. Android Laughing at all these Idiots.

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    > the DB described the second version of KCM as "the complete version of KCM". Only Naruto is listed as its user.

    > the non complete version is used by both Minato and Naruto.

    > BM is when he is using Kurama avatar.

    > Naruto kept on switching between KCM and KCM2 even after we were introduced to KCM Minato. And KCM2 was introduced way before KCM Minato appeared in the manga.

    You have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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