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BSM Naruto VS EMS Madara!!

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Hi no Ishi, Jan 1, 2018.

  1. Bonly Tailless Tailed Beast

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    Madara’s PS took a Bijuudama from a stronger Kurama and it was unscratched. It took the combine power of the AoE of around 11 Bijuudama from Kurama and SS in order to destroy PS. That’s more power then Naruto can do alone so I doubt Bijuudama is gonna get the job done.

    Kurama doesn’t have doesn't have the same durability PS so I don’t see how that means PS is gonna be destroyed.

    Naruto has the benefit of Sage Mode against Sasuke yet he couldn’t overpower his PS so I have my doubts that he’ll do it to Madara’s let alone enough to destroy it.
     
  2. Mar55 Well-Known Member

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    An overall stronger Kurama doesn't translate to that being a stronger attack. Naruto's casual TBB could outmatch a super charged TBB from 5 Bijū. It kinda plays into the Jin and Bijū > lone Bijū > controlled Bijū.
    But it didn't? We see those TBB fly into the arms of SS and destroy some of them. We then see the remaining arms completely destroy PS, despite not being its full power.
    You're right, it has better. BM Naruto took a Jūbi TBLaser with mostly cosmetic damage. That same TBLaser plowed through 9 TBB from Kurama and Gyūki, without losing any momentum. That's better durability than Madara can breach, along being better than his defences.

    This is BSM, who's definitively that+. Meaning it's even less likely Madara can breach his defences, and it's more likely his attacks will breach Madara's.
    Or we could include context, like Naruto intentionally holding back. That fight also proves PS swords are worthless against Naruto, considering he casually blocked both.

    Considering it's not a near even match like it was there, Naruto would block the swords, hold PS in place with his tails/chakra arms and blow it away. He can afford to chip away, sense he has more stamina and natural energy as a quick refill.
     
  3. uchihakil Well-Known Member

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    Again failed logic, 1 rinnegan madara soloed naruto and sasuke + 9 bijuu's, that doesn't make him stronger than juubito, hashirama is going to wtfstomp BSM naruto like he will EMS madara, and based on your logic, EMS sasuke will beat EMS madara cuz he fought juubito who was stronger than hashi who will beat madara. Why can't yall think it through, your logic is flawed, you can't just be spewing nonsense a > b > c logic when it suits the character you like.

    SM hashi is going to mop the floor with ;

    - EMS madara
    - BSM naruto
    - EMS sasuke

    So again, saying BSM naruto is stronger cuz he fought someone who was stronger than hashi is horseshit.
     
  4. uchihakil Well-Known Member

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    No it doesn't, naruto can only affect/increase the potency of bijuu dama by adding senjutsu, the bijuu dama that stalemated the 5 bijuu's tbb was kurama's lonesome power.

    Might i add, madara took kurama's bijuudama with just v4 not stabilised PS which shits on v4.

    Again, madara survived 11 tbb's with PS blade + choujou kebesu, naruto have not shown fire power on that level.
     
  5. Azula .

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    That bijuudama was a lot smaller than one Naruto fired.

    No he didn't.

    Stop with this absolutely ridiculous claim that someone "survives" bijuudama just because they were in the general vicinity.

    The bombs hit SS, the bombs damaged SS not PS who was at the other side firing them.

    Otherwise I should started claiming that Hachibi can "survive" BM Naruto and the Five Bijuus combined attack because he was present when both the attacks exploded



    There is a huge difference between getting direct hit by bijuudama and being in the general area.
     
  6. Bonly Tailless Tailed Beast

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    And what proof do you have that 100 percent Kurama's Bijuudama couldn't outmatch 5 Bijuu's Bijuudama with a casual Bijuudama again? None, that's just something people make up to try and make a difference between the two but there's nothing to back up such a claim. 100 percent Kurama has twice the strength of half and Kurama wasn't alone, Madara was controlling him.



    But it did. Are we gonna act like Bijuudama's no longer have huge AoE that's the size of a mountain? If we don't ignore that then you'll realize that PS would still be in the AoE of the explosions afterwords, it won't take the full damage of the explosions but it'll still that damage from the explosion nonetheless and that's around 11 of them going off at the same time.



    No, you're talking about a chakra avatar. Kurama himself as in the one made of flesh and bones doesn't have the same durability. If you stab Susanoo or throw acid on Susanoo, is Itachi gonna get hurt? No. Why? Because Susanoo is just chakra. Same with Kurama, there's a reason why Kurama went from being hurt by Naruto's attacks when they fought before the war to taking hits from the Juubi with cosmetic damage and the reason is because one Kurama is just a pure chakra and the other isn't.

    So again Kurama himself, the actual Kurama and not the chakra avy isn't the same as PS nor has his durability been shown to be better.



    Naruto not wanting to kill Sasuke doesn't mean he was holding back. Naruto didn't want to kill Sasuke in part one yet you're not gonna say he was holding back, hell we saw Naruto try his best. So that's not a good excuse, if Naruto could've easily overpowered Sasuke's Susanoo then he would've done it if he could've and called it a day and put an end to the fight when Sasuke said he was gonna murder the Gokage and what not.
     
  7. Mar55 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, this still never happened tho.
    I didn't say he was alone, I noted he was being controlled. Even then, his TBB was a casual one that was far below what Naruto does with a casual TBB, by pure showings. So, that's the proof.
    Except we're shown it taking damage only from the lessened SS and it was completely shattered. There wasn't even an explosion, it explosions since 11 TBB were fired, afterwards. Hey we're supposed to believe PS can handle SS + 11 TBB + PS swords? I don't think so.
    Even assuming he was flesh there, he would've been fine. Losing tails isn't shown to be much of an issue for Bijū, especially not considering their regen. Regardless, it doesn't matter here. Naruto has shown better durability, so he has better durability. Kurama on his own is irrelevant to BM Naruto and BSM Naruto.
    This is contradictory to your argument of Kurama > BM Naruto, since that'd mean he also receives the durability feats BM Naruto gained. Which of he does, he does have better durability and it's not even close.

    Having said that, not really sure why you think it matters. Naruto has shown better durability, then he just adds to that with SM. He's > PS in literally everything. Mobility, defence, offence, methods of attacks, everything.
    Gonna stop you here, because it's specifically noted more than once that he is holding back. Sasuke even says he'll die playing defensive like he's been doing.

    Either way, it's not really gonna matter for here, since Madara =/= Sasuke, and Naruto > them both. He still can't be harmed by PS, he still can harm PS, he can out muscle him, out maneuver him, out last him and just holds most advantages. That's just with BM.

    I honestly don't see it as that debatable, but meh. You've received the opinion you asked for. I'll be leaving it alone now.
     
  8. Mori Jin Active Member

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    Cool story mate.
     
  9. JiraiyaFlash Satô no Kyoki

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    With time limit of KCM -> Madara with high to ext. diff.
    w/o time limiet KCM -> Naruto with high diff.
     
  10. uchihakil Well-Known Member

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    @Bonly already said what i was going to say, lemme just add a few points, for starters the scan you just posted was with naruto trying to redirect the bijuu dama shot by the bijuu's, which exploded in the upper atmosphere, so yes ofcourse they didn't suffer the full brunt of the explosion, unlike madara who shot his BD at close quater, cuz he was less than a 50 yards out from SS, so he definately was definately hit with the explosion.
     
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    That's not proof. That's like me saying that Madara or Tsunade can't walk on water because they haven't been shown to do it. This is a case you and everyone else who tries to use this logic have exactly no ground to stand on to suggest full Kurama's Bijuudama can't do the exact same. Concession accepted.



    We clearly see the huge ass explosion that takes up an entire panel damn near and that explosion happened right infront of Madara and Hashi.



    It is completely relevant as you're ignoring common sense and falsely apply feats. It does matter as he wouldn't take the damage the same. You're comparing apples and Oranges and treating them the same which is wrong.



    Nothing is being contradicted, Kurama being stronger doesn't mean he has better durabitrily then a avatar made out of pure chakra. Just use your brain and answer the following questions. If you was to stab pure chakra, is the chakra hurt? Now if you was to stab something made out of flesh and blood, like how Gyuki was stabbed by the five tails, would he be hurt and bleed? If the answer to the latter is yes but the answer to the former is no then that's means you have to stop being biased and accepted that they won't have the same durability.



    It matters when you make up stuff to suggest Naruto wins. You said that because Kurama was stunned by FRS, that means FRS will destroy PS. So why the hell would Kurama's durability not matter in a discussion about destroying PS when you're using that as an example?



    Not going for the kill doesn't mean he was pulling back his punches, that's just your head canon since the manga has shown multiple fights of people not going for the kill yet not holding back.


    Thanks for your opinion, I'm just glad to know that most of it is baseless assumptions and falsely giving feats to make up the claim that
    "Naruto stomps" lol
     
  12. Azula .

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    What are we suddenly going to pretend that SS isn't bigger than mountains and can comfortably accommodate mountain range attacks within itself? :LOS



    "50 yards" lol.

    All the jutsus and Bijuu involved in this battle are of gigantic proportions. Don't downplay size when convenient.

    And you need to remember than bijuudama do not ever backfire unless deflected back through some means.

    Killer Bee can comfortably obliterate Suigetsu standing opposite to him and not get hit by his own attack despite it exploding at "close range to him".



    :tomato

    Madara aimed the bijuudamas high up at SS arms who towers above him. Naruto and Obito's attacks went high up in the air. The same concept applies.

    Neither PS nor Bee were hit by the respective attacks

    Just because they seemed to have been enveloped by the "blast" doesn't mean they can now survive being hit directly.

    Be consistent.
     
  13. uchihakil Well-Known Member

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    Beam bijuu dama has shown to function in a different way, they all vapourise the target infront of them and move in a linear pattern, not explode like a regular bijuu dama,a bijuu dama has a blast radius regardless of who fires it, you know this but still want to come up with something irrelevant. And SS is definately not big enough to contain 11 bijuu dama from full kurama's explosion, thats BS. considering the fact that 1 bijuu dama is already multimountain level.
     
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