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Byakuya VS Halibel

Discussion in 'Bleach' started by Shir0saki, Jan 18, 2011.

Byakuya Vs Halibel

Poll closed Sep 9, 2011.
  1. Byakuya

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  2. Halibel

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  1. Shir0saki Trancendental

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    Byakuya's bloodlusted ( halibel kills Rukia )
    halibel is in character
    both start in base
    40 feet apart
    takes place in FKT
    GO
     
  2. LittleLamplightMassacre Monkeys dehyping one at a time

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    Byakuya is bloodlusted?

    Well he loses either way but this is just a stomp.
     
  3. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    Byakuya would win with mid to high difficulty at most. He beat her out in speed, intelligence, and abilities. He also excels at Kidou.
     
  4. LittleLamplightMassacre Monkeys dehyping one at a time

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    He beats her in speed?
    Since when can Byakuya blitz the other Jr. Captains? He can't even blitz Ichigo until Ichigo's Reiatsu stomped.
     
  5. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    Byakuya while using Utsusemi > Zommari > Halibel in terms of Shunpo and Sonido speed.
     
  6. LittleLamplightMassacre Monkeys dehyping one at a time

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    Byakuya while using Utsesumi dodged an attack from Zommari. Since when does that make him superior to Zommari? That doesn't even make him superior to Zommari's clones, considering he even needed Utsesumi to dodge that last attack.
     
  7. Greed You lose...Again

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    If Zommari's speed were truly greater, then he would've pressed the attack after Byakuya used Utsusemi. You know, without his clones, since they slow him down =/

    Anyway Byakuya stomps, especially since he's bloodlusted
     
  8. LittleLamplightMassacre Monkeys dehyping one at a time

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    You know

    You really really can't say why didn't this character use this?

    If you'll make excuses then why didn't Byakuya use Utsesumi against Ichigo?

    There was really no reason for him to use Utsesumi against Zommari either. Prior to Utsesumi neither Zommari nor Byakuya actually moved.

    Your point is moot.
     
  9. Greed You lose...Again

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    He didn't have to use Utsusemi against Ichigo :maybe

    Zommari on the other hand, was actually trying to show his speed was superior to Byakuya's, he even touted being the fastest espada. Then you have Byakuya ridiculing his speed after he used Utsusemi

    The point isn't moot, you just can't explain it

    Besides, if Zommari didn't move before Utsusemi then he wouldn't have created any clones
     
  10. Excalibur Cana? Where are you!

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    Byakuya wins. Overall he's just the stronger warrior. I don't see how Harribel's water will even touch him when it didn't against Toshiro.. He has many options against her and the only real way she will win is in CQC.
     
  11. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    Since Zommari basically said well there goes my speed advantage, so I may as well release, since he can just use Utsusemi.
     
  12. A

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    How exactly does Harribel win MB. I'm curious. :maybe
     
  13. Greed You lose...Again

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    He doesn't...

    MB's just trolling :maybe
     
  14. hmph Serious about fiction

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    Hum, still remember the last Halibel vs Byakuya thread when you stubbornly stuck to that opinion and everyone else said she'd win.

    And I still think she'd win. It'd be a fairly long fight, but Byakuya is lacking in strength and endurance compared to Halibel and her ability will just build up and overwhelm him.

    Utsusemi has nothing to do with raw speed. It's a trick for the purpose of confusion. A confused opponent will have their reactions slowed, which creates an illusion of speed advantage. However it is quite useless if the opponent sees through it. This also makes it useless at long range, and as Byakuya is a ranged fighter and Halibel will happily fight at range or melee, I doubt it will do much for him this fight.

    Also I don't think that Zommari is faster than Halibel. She was bluntly, though immeasurably, faster than Hitsu who seems more or less of the same speed as Byakuya.
     
  15. A

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    Bullshit .
     
  16. Greed You lose...Again

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    Utsusemi is a speed technique

    Harribel also wasn't 'immeasurably' faster than Hitsugaya, she couldn't even close the distance between him. The only time she did, was when she first released and even he said he didn't expect she'd get that much faster upon doing so... and she never did it again

    Sooooo... no
     
  17. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    Utsusemi doesn't permanently increase speed but there's never been stated to be a limit to it's use either. It's not as if he just uses it non stop but I don't see why he couldn't use it enough to make a difference here.

    If Halibel tried fighting at a long range then that would just put her at even more of a disadvantage since Byakuya excels at Kidou and has a Bankai that works perfect for long range combat.

    Since Zommari was stated to be the fastest Espada I would put his speed above hers.

    I don't recall her being much faster than Hitsugaya, even if faster, and Byakuya is a good deal faster than Hitsugaya.
     
  18. hmph Serious about fiction

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    Ya know, I just told myself I would stop bothering responding to you, and yet here I am after this tempting little thing.

    Here. They go in a straight line, Halibel runs him down. It's very straightforward.

    Based on what? They have very remote comparisons, and are both captains that seem to prefer a mobile ranged combat style.
     
  19. Greed You lose...Again

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    Well, I'm gonna bow out of this debate seems like everyone else has it covered
     
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    And yet she was forced to use a ranged attack because she can't actually touch him with her blade. Nice try.

    There's a reason why Harribel was desperately taunting Hitsugaya to fight her in melee...
     
  21. LittleLamplightMassacre Monkeys dehyping one at a time

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  22. Greed You lose...Again

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    That's not even Hitsu bro^
     
  23. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    Based on him being able to out pace Zommari using Utsusemi while Zommari was faster than Halibel who was faster than Hitsugaya.

    That and the Data Book. So yeah I'd still give Byakuya the speed advantage.
     
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    Whoa! She hit a stationary ice clone that Hitsugaya created to see the difference between her base and released form. Good for her.

    There's a reason why Harribel never blitzed Hitsugaya for the remainder of the fight.
     
  25. LittleLamplightMassacre Monkeys dehyping one at a time

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    IIRC that clone was doing pretty damn well against a sealed Harribel.
     
  26. Greed You lose...Again

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    Lol@ Me actually defending Hitsu here

    Yeah, I'm outta this thread

    Peace :)
     
  27. hmph Serious about fiction

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    And yet, the data book itself says that Zommari's comment was a boast, not a proven claim.

    I don't buy much into the databook stats though. Consider the amounts of, say, Yamamoto, and how close he is to the other captains. Whereas his real power is vastly ahead of theirs. And then, say, Kenpachi is so far down when he seems just as capable as the other captains in general.
     
  28. A

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    No that was Hitsugaya himself.
     
  29. LittleLamplightMassacre Monkeys dehyping one at a time

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    So he switched without Harribel noticing.

    even though she noticed this?

    I call bullshit on your claims.
     
  30. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    1. Nonetheless there's no contradicting evidence and Zommari wasn't arrogant. So I'm still going with Zommari as having been the fastest Espada.

    2. I think the stats are accurate, however that doesn't mean the overalls give you a set ranking, since there are obviously categories not accounted for in the Data Book.
     

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