# Cafe Convo #142 - Two years in the shadow of oppression

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1. ### mr_shadowMinister of State SecurityModerator

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The Gregorian (Christian) calendar is a "solar" calendar, meaning a year is defined as the time it takes the Earth to complete one lap around the Sun.

Whereas the Muslim calendar is a "lunar" calendar where a year is defined as the time it takes the Moon to complete 12 laps around the Earth.

The two definitions are almost the same, but the lunar year is actually 11 days shorter than the solar year. Meaning that all holidays move ahead 11 days every year. But since the year is circular, the "lost" days will eventually add up to a whole lost year and the holiday dates will have cycled back to their original place. As the solar year has 365 days this takes 356/11=33 years.

So while Ramadan is the ninth month of the Islamic year, it only overlaps completely with the ninth month of the Gregorian year (September) once every 33 years. But it will partially overlap for five out of those years. E.g.

Year 1. September 23 = Ramadan 1 / October 22 = Ramadan 30
Year 2. September 12 = Ramadan 1 / October 11 = Ramadan 30
Year 3. September 1 = Ramadan 1 / September 30 = Ramadan 30
Year 4. August 21 = Ramadan 1 / September 19 = Ramadan 30
Year 5. August 10 = Ramadan 1 / September 8 = Ramadan 30

Edit: This of course means that calculating the correspondences between Muslim year numbers and Gregorian year numbers is a pain in the ass. Even though the Muslim "year 1 AH" is the Gregorian 622 AD, we can't assume that 2018 AD is 2018-622=1396 AH. We need to account for the "lost" (or "skipped") years as well, so in fact 2018 AD = 1440 AH; the Islamic calendar has skipped 44 years between the time of Muhammad and today.

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2. ### mr_shadowMinister of State SecurityModerator

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3. ### Cardboard Tube KnightMedic! Oh wait that is me

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Big Bang Theory? Disgusting.

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4. ### Erosオカマ

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There are literally 27 Amendments, and the only one that has no importance at all is the 18th, and that's because it's been repealed. I could go on about which ones really matter, but I'd really be starting some shit.

5. ### mr_shadowMinister of State SecurityModerator

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The style of Bukhari reminds me of Liu Xiang's "Garden of Stories" (~50 BC), which is also a topically arranged, non-chronological book of anecdotes about Confucius and others meant to convey moral instruction.

I'm used to this kind of writing, and it's commendable that Bukhari has any structure at all, as a lot of other texts produced in primarily oral societies seem to just be jotted down in the order the author thought of things, with no conscious "editing" to make things more digestible.

6. ### mr_shadowMinister of State SecurityModerator

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So it's 4:30 in the morning. What should I do?

A. Go to sleep.

B. Watch 2001: A Space Odyssey (2h 30m) since it was just the 50th anniversary.

Leaning towards B atm.

7. ### WorkingMoogleWell-Known Member

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Senate just voted to uphold Net Neutrality. Would have lost money on that bet.

Granted the House will probably kill it now, and Trump certainly will if it somehow gets to him, but take good news where it comes

8. ### Mider TVM Rapist

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Those are rookie numbers. You gotta pump those numbers up. @Detective

9. ### makeoutparadiseI will have my revenge

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10. ### Erosオカマ

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Well, it's one of those issues that will hopefully help the GOP lose a bunch of House seats in November.

11. ### AlwaysmindLunesdi al vespre.

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You spelled 2nd and bear arms wrong fam.

12. ### Erosオカマ

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Okay. How about the 8th Amendment? Do you know what it is?

13. ### AlwaysmindLunesdi al vespre.

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14. ### makeoutparadiseI will have my revenge

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The 8th deals with cruel and unusual punishment

15. ### IslandIn the Sun

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Tbf, I don't think most people know the Bill of Rights off the top of their head.

Off the top of my head:

Spoiler:

1. Freedom of speech, assembly, religion, press, and petition

2. Right to bear arms

3. ???

4. Rights about search and seizure

5. right to no self-incrimination

6. right to a speedy trial

7. ???

8. Cruel and unusual punishment

9. ???

10. States can do stuff not outlined by the federal government

16. ### mr_shadowMinister of State SecurityModerator

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So electing Trump was unconstitutional!

17. ### makeoutparadiseI will have my revenge

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It is strange that none of the founders thought to consider recourse for things like election fraud or collusion

18. ### mr_shadowMinister of State SecurityModerator

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Meh, it's pretty boring and formulaic IMO.

"In the south there is a mountain. On it lives a creature with a head like a lion, a body like a horse and tail like a crocodile."

"In the north is a lake. In it lives a creature with a head like a crocodile, body like a lion and tail like a horse."

The myto-geography is just different combinations of a limited number of stock building blocks.

19. ### Erosオカマ

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No. It's one Republicans usually ignore, especially the part in bold.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

20. ### AlwaysmindLunesdi al vespre.

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Well presidents arnt directly elected. They didn’t trust the populace, hence why they wanted everyone to have a gun.

And besides, the founding fathers had no issue with committing treason. Election tampering is nothing but an after thought.

21. ### Erosオカマ

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Anyway, this is interesting. The governor of Missouri is probably going to be impeached, removed from office, and sent to prison soon.

22. ### AlwaysmindLunesdi al vespre.

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Except when it comes to owning guns. Not being able to own an AR-15 or rocket launchers will be argued to be cruel and unusual by republicans.

23. ### makeoutparadiseI will have my revenge

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i had fun imagining myself exploring the mountians and picturing the creatures in my head. It was like reading pokedex

Do you know any other chinese bestiaries that are perhaps a bit cooler?

What was formulaic for me was journey to the west, by the fourth volume its just;

Monkey king: XuanZang, Zhu Bajie Im going to get food by the cave of this demon, dont do the thing
*immediately does the thing*
Monkey king: Guess I gotta save you again

24. ### Erosオカマ

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A rocket launcher?

25. ### AlwaysmindLunesdi al vespre.

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That is crazy!

26. ### AlwaysmindLunesdi al vespre.

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Do I need to put sarcasm in brackets next to that post?

27. ### mr_shadowMinister of State SecurityModerator

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I think the genre basically died after SHJ. At least nothing similar comes to mind.

28. ### makeoutparadiseI will have my revenge

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The closest is pu song ling's ghost stories
Do any of those mountians exist?
What was the frame of refrence when they say 200 li south of here there are mountians with Vulpix and kyubbi

29. ### mr_shadowMinister of State SecurityModerator

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IIRC Sima Qian mentions the Book of Mountains & Seas in his Records of the Grand Historian (ca. 100 BC), and it's definitely in the catalogue of the Han imperial library found in the Book of Han (ca. 1 AD). So the work was written before then.

But it seems like the author is able to move relatively freely across all of China. He doesn't mention any warfare or other human obstacles, and his interests aren't confined to just a single state.

Therefore I think it was written either in the short-lived Qin dynasty or the early Han dynasty, so sometime in the century 221 BC - 100 BC. The First Emperor would no doubt have wanted to inventory his new empire to find out what treasures were in all the former Warring States, and we know he sent expeditions to find the Elixir of Life, so he wasn't averse to the fantastic or supernatural.

Not saying the book was written for the First Emperor personally, but it seems to fit into the intellectual climate of trying to consolidate the knowledge of all the Warring States into a coherent narrative. Like how Lü Buwei tried to synthesize all the Hundred Schools into a single philosophy.

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