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Cafe Convo #143 - I've only made embarrassing posts

Discussion in 'The NF Café' started by mr_shadow, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    [funny picture here]

    This is a continuation thread, the old thread is .
     
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    Took you long enough. :pek
     
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    Who is the title referencing?
     
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    It was proposed by @Kafuka Fuura, ask her.
     
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    You should have waited for me to choose a better title.
     
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  10. makeoutparadise I will have my revenge

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    @mr_shadow so in the old geography
    Heaven is round and earth is square
    And there were four seas for each direction
    Were the north and the west sea given any names and was that where the gods were presumed to have lived
     
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    Noooooooooooooo!


    You snooze, you lose gramps. :boredbear
     
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    Someone did a shitty job translating that phrase into french in a ad and I wanted to know the real answer
     
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    Oh a new convo
     
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    How was it translated?
     
  16. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    I read something about this in Chinese History: A New Manual. I'll get back to you later.
     
  17. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Anyway @Alwaysmind @Mider T comparing timelines between civilizations is so fascinating.

    I don't normally write notes in my books (yet I somehow made it to a Ph.D....), but today I took to annotating my "vanilla" copy of the Spring & Autumn Annals with Common Era dates (722-468 BCE) for easier cross-referencing. Then since I'd already defiled the pages I started putting down famous events from other cultures in their appropriate places.

    The weirdest discovery was that Confucius died one year after the Battle of Thermopylae (480 BCE).

    The other discovery was that Europeans were fucking slow onto the scene. Rome didn't become a republic and Athens not a democracy until 509 and 508 BCE, respectively, which is in the last third of the Annals.

    The Israelis fare better. While the dating of events in the Old Testament is controversial, the First Temple was probably destroyed in 587 BCE, which is near the midpoint of the Annals. Most of the memorable OT characters, like David and Solomon, lived before the start date of the Annals way back in the 900's.

    The enlightenment of the Buddha is supposed to happened in 545 BCE, when Confucius was six years old.
     
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  18. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Of course this business of trying to reconcile the Chinese and European chronologies is something the Jesuits started doing pretty much as soon as they landed in Macau...

    Party like it's 1718!
     
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    Speaking of Thermopylae, how were Qin and Perduan relations?
     
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    Male closed threads great again!
     
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    Pretty cool stuff. At the same time Pythagoras was alive and doing his thing.

    I didn't know until recently that Confucious was a Governor.

    Also I as well don't write notes in books (that's what tablets are for) even though I know it would be interesting for historians. Jefferson Davis, the lone President of the Confederacy, made humorous notes in his own copy of some memoir by an ex-Confederate General (I think it was James Longstreet). When Longstreet writes about Davis' actions, Davis has notes on the side saying things like "Said no such thing" "Nothing of the sort ever occured" "hogwash" etc.:lmao
     
  23. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Persia (Anxi 安息) doesn't unambiguously show up in written sources until the Han dynasty, around 100 BC. That was when Emperor Wu drove the Xiongnu (Huns?) out of the Gansu corridor and established regular Chinese access to the Silk Road.

    In the Qin dynasty you're asking about, from the Chinese point of view anybody living to the west of Qin (the state) was just an undifferentiated horde of Western Barbarians (Xi Ring 西戎). There's no breakdown by ethnicity or nationality.

    But archeology and non-Chinese sources point to much earlier contact with the rest of the world. For example China is supposedly mentioned in Indian sources that are older than the Han dynasty, meaning Chinese people must have travelled outside China, or foreigners visited them, before the "official" opening of the Silk Road.

    There's also a theory that the First Emperor may have enlisted sculptors from the Hellenistic kingdom of Bacteria to make his Terracotta Army, since the technique is apparently too advanced to be indiginously Chinese.
     
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    That's the traditional narrative, yeah.

    But some people have noticed that each new biography of Confucius seems to equip him with ever-grander titles. E.g. one says that he was at one point acting prime minister of Lu, and then the next one just got rid of the "acting" and made him full prime minister.

    It should be pretty certain that he held some form of official appointment in the Lu government before going into exile, anyway.
     
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    let see how long it takes until i post in here

    ... oh wait
     
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    What I need is a proper World Annals that tells you what happened in every civilization during every year ca. 1000 BCE - 1000 CE.

    I know Wikipedia has list articles that kind of resemble that, but I'm talking about something a little more professionally edited, with lengthier descriptions. (Preferably with emphasis on how events interrelate)

    Most histories are unfortunately still written in a Nationalist paradigm, where things are seen only from the point of view of one country and/or its ancestors.
     
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    you know back then kings commissions people to do these stuff (book, art etc)

    you cant just say I want this stuff and magically appears.

    or if you really want to get one, while cant afford to commission someone, you can always make it your own
     
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    Some of the greatest academic monuments have been born from frustration.

    "Why doesn't this exist?!"
     
  29. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    For example my dissertation topic (translations of the Confucian Classics) stems from my frustration that there wasn't a Swedish translation of the Classics available when I was an undergrad and didn't yet know Classical Chinese.

    So I want to ultimately make my own translation.

    All the thirteen Classics put together come to 600,000 characters (words), so at 500 words a page it would be 1200 pages. If you account for the fact that Swedish is wordier than Chinese (things that can be left implied in the original must be spelled out in the translation), and that I'll probably need footnotes and appendixes, maybe the total will land around 2000 pages. About the length of the Bible.

    If I translate/write 10 pages a day that project would nominally take 5 years. I feel like it's gonna be more like 10 if we factor in research. James Legge used 24 years (1861-1885) to make his English translation...

    So for economic reasons I'll probably do it piecemeal. I'll initially publish it as a series of thirteen parts (maybe one a year?) so I'll get some income from each one, and then once they're all finished I'll go back and re-edit them into a consolidated volume.
     
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    the power of friendship (or paying help)

    1 person = 5 yrs
    2 persons = 2.5 yrs
    5 persons = 1 yrs
    10 person = 6 months

    HK min wage about USD 5
    6 months * 10 person = 60 person.months
    6 months = 1000 hours
    = 60*1000*$5 = $300,000 (capital)

    every 100,000 sold you get in average $140,000 to 330,000
    since you are making 13. you can easily sell 1,3 million = $1,8 M to 4.3 M
    you have profit at least $1,5 M

    what do you waiting for go start working
     
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