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Calamities may very well be >>> Sweet Commanders (SC)

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by GilDLax, Sep 13, 2018.

  1. GilDLax Well-Known Member

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    First, number. There are 3 Calamities but 4 SC. If they are supposed to fight each other when Emperors clash...(WB had 16 Commanders though but we know Marco, Ace, Jozu and Vista are special in terms of fighting anw)

    Second, bounty. Jack is possibly placed last among of Calamities (the card theory: Jack, Queen, King) yet his bounty is > 3 SC already.

    Third, the ''power level distribution''.
    It's clear so far that Headliner is a position directly below Calamities (this chapter we know Jack backs Holdem, there's no one in the middle so if Holdem has problem then Jack comes, and we saw how Sheepshead is his second on the Mammoth Ship) but their performances...
    Sheepshead: one-shot by Sanji
    Holdem: blitzed by BaseLuffy and Red Hawk'd
    Speed: Blitzed by Zolo and a woman? Smoothie club she goes
    Basically a bunch of Smile fruits rubbish...

    So this requires the Calamities to be way stronger than Sweet Commanders to compensate for the lack of other competent fighters (guys like Perosperos, Oven, Daifuku, Campote).


    What do you guys think?
     
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  2. Duhul10 Troll killer

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    If both the calamities would have been >> than the SC and Kaido > BM, she would have most likely lost her title and islands. There has to be an equilibrium somehow.
     
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    Headliners have a huge range of power levels. People like Hawkins are headliners too. I would say Kaido has more fodders than BM for sure
     
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    Drake is probably the equivalent to Snack, so I wouldn't overthink the 4v3 thing. And we've only seen two or three lackluster headliners, when there are probably at least 10. The gap between Holdem and Jack can be occupied by most of them imo.

    Bounty doesn't just reflect strength but danger as well. Jack is not unlike Kid who's accrued a high bounty through mayhem and high death toll.
     
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    I don't disagree, but Jacks strength certainly reflects his bounty.

    That being said, yeah, the strength between the headliners is going to vary greatly. Think of the difference between Perospero, Compote, Oven and Daifuku as compared to their non-Sweet Commander siblings.
     
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    Maybe the Beast Pirates are the weakest crew among the Yonko.
     
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    Drake, Hawkins and Apoo are new additions in last year (Hawkins and Apoo literally just joined). Kaidou was already Emperor before that so I don't really count them.
     
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    not necessarily the weakest, it's only because Luffy's and Zoro's level is outstandingly high now
    Luffy was trashing BM's crew for hours before he felt because of hunger , for example.

    Soon he will have his Cracker (Jack).
     
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    I thought the whole point of having SMILES was to make them the strongest one?

    Disagree with OP by the way, Kaido's calamities have higher bounties becaue they're more dangerous and crazier.
     
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    I don't really agree that Yonko crews have to work out to be exactly even in strength if you compare all of the members together. It's not like crew-wide battles are a common thing with such huge pirate crews. Also like others said it's likely that Headliners have a big range of power because I seriously doubt the crew before the Supernovas joined was just Kaido, 3 Calamities and a bunch of fodder. It's also possible that there are random high-tier members that don't have generic ranks like Big Mom's crew.
     
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    Jack is pretty much Cracker level
     
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    Who the hell still uses bounty number to indicate strength?
     
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    Yea they're basically the ministers of the beats pirates with the supernovas being the strongest ones probably.
     
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    I can give you Jack = Cracker, but Katakuri is being insanely underrated here.

    If I had to come up with a simple hierarchy:

    Top Calamity => Katakuri > Calamity #2 => Calamity #3 (Jack) = Cracker >> Snack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smoothie
     
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    In all likelihood, one of the calamities is hard counter by one of the Sweet Commanders on just DF powers. I bet that 2nd SC Katakrui is a great deal stronger than Jack.
     
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    It's goofy as hell to say the Sweet Commanders must be weaker because they're are four of them while the Calamities are only 3... If Kaidou promotes Drake to Calamity does that mean King, Queen, and Jack suddenly become weaker to compensate?
     
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    I would say it's goofy as hell because there's actually only 3 sweet commanders
     
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    Eh, I'm talking combined powers, not 1vs1...

    And of course we're talking from an out-verse perspective, the idea is Oda designs the story like that with purpose. Obviously in-verse Kaidou can promote a crew member and the original Calamities wouldn't get weaker.

    Besides, this is just theory to discuss. I never said they are surefire reasons. If they are, it would be canon and there's no need for discussion LOL
     
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    That gap is filled by the multiple supernovas. PedoPedo is a Hawkins, Speed is a Flampe.

    Kaido's Pedo/Hawkins tier of fighters is arguably much stronger. So going by your "Yonkou much be balanced" argument, then the calamities have to be weaker.

    OR, Kaido himself is much weaker than Big Mom.
     
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    I think by having Smile they made their crew equal to other Yonko crew.

    They have no other territory that we know of as of now beside Wano and the SN are newly recruited. Compare it to BM pirates or WB pirates they look inferior without their newly acquired power(Smile and the SN) and that's why Kaido is the strongest the captain filled the gap I think.
     
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    I can easily see Kaido's crew being the weakest since I think Kaido>Big Mom. At the same time, there is nothing wrong with the Beasts Pirates being stronger than the Big Mom pirates. It's still a huge gamble for them to fight. Even if the Beasts Pirates took out the Big Mom Pirates, they would be heavily injured, allowing another yonko or another pirate crew to take them out.
    I also see the red haired pirates as being the most powerful crew currently.
     
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    I'd compare Holdem or Urashimi to Pekoms, Opera or even Bobbins. Bet his bounty is less than 300 m
     
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    Pekoms was no weakling.
     
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    The Winter Island that Iron Boy Scotch guards is one of Kaido’s “favorite” islands. This implies he has more territories than Wano.
     
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    He had that cool OHKO he did on Caribou, but after that he got punked consistently. I like Pekoms and its fair to say he's stronger than Holdem, but he's closer to him strength-wise than he is to Daifuku or Oven.
     
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    that Island are in Wano too or am I wrong
     
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    I hope so. Otherwise I'm not sure if Zoro even has to go all-out until his Shiryuu bossfight.

    King/Queen/Jack = Katakuri/Smoothie/Cracker/Snack/Perospero/Bigfuck/Oven

    Jack's bounty is already close to Katakuri's and he's most likely the weakest Calamity.

    King and Queen will be > Katakuri.

    Queen = 1,200,000,000
    King = 1,400,000,000
     
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    I can see Pekoms getting one shot by a red hawk.
     
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    No way that Caribou and his crew were getting access to Wano or the Revolutionaries were operating there. Furthermore none of those people looked traditional Japanese.
     
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