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Can Hashirama use Goton?

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Orochimaruwantsyourbody, Dec 8, 2018.

  1. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Well-Known Member

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    Guruguru did while using Hashirama’s scaled down Jutsu. Hashirama is listed with all the elements in the DB.

    If Hashirama had his Shinsuusenju use it, how powerful would it be?
     
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    possible.
     
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    Not sure how strong its going to be, but the jutsu would be massive. Its hard to scale it perfectly, but heres a comparison to the statue used by Guruguru vs Hashi's construct.

    vs
     
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    Yeah I can't see why not.

    Kind of fodder compared to shit like Mokujin and Mokuyuru and Shinsu Senju though.
     
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    no, he cannot

    zetsu is zetsu & then he was goo, then a shadow & then ''will'' & ultimately a troll

    device, device...etc
     
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    Hashi hasnt used a Katon or a Fuuton or a Raiton in his entire life

    So i highly doubt it.

    The DB is straight up not credible when it comes to handing out affinities...The damn thing claimed that Muu cant use Suiton yet his Invisibility technique that made him famous IS SUITON.

    I do believe it also lists Kakashi as a Fuuton user when he outright tells us on panel while training naruto to use FRS that he cant use the element.
     
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    Sure, why not. He has 5 elements, after all.
    It doesn't say that, he simply isn't listed. Which isn't so unbelievable, redundancy is a thing after all. The 4th is how we know he can use all 5 elements to begin with.

    That's also how we know his invisibility is Suiton.
    It's his worst element, but the Sharingan means he can use it regardless.

    This is reinforced in the novels where he does so. For training like Naruto was doing, he needed someone who had actual experience with Futon and understanding of its element and the properties therein. That would be a natural user, not a copied technique user.
     
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    Kakashi also never said he can't use Futon.


    They were using one term for "chakra nature" and "affinity".

    - Kakashi uses the "*name of element* nature" for "affinity".

    He simply sent Naruto to someone with Wind affinity, because Naruto asked him.
     
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    From what I gathered, he uses some makeshift Ice Release in one of the novels. I'll try to see if I can track down some sources.
     
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    he fought Ice Release users with his Purple Lightning in the novels.
     
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    Which is Them saying he doesnt have teh element

    lest every character is now in possession of every element they arent stated to have in the DB
    Someone NOT being listed to have an elemt on a page specifically put into teh DBs to state what elemnts X character can and cant use isnt redundancy...Its a statement.
    Yes and thats exactly my point

    The DBs are remarkably inconsistent even relative to itself
    That isnt how the sharingan works chief

    Sharingan doesnt let you "lol know" any Jutsu you see. kakashi cant copy what he cant reproduce or understand. Meaning, if he doesnt have the innate ability to cast the Jutsu (like for instance, knowing how to mold Fuuton chakra) then he cant copy it. Thats why Sharingan users cant copy Kekkei Genkai...they lack the capability to perform it based on some missing innate trait.

    Novels that arent written by Kishi :catshrug
     
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    Naruto: "Does ANYONE know Fuuton? Like for example, the man STANDING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ME?"

    Kakashi: "Go talk to that guy...Dont talk to me even tho I know TOTALLY Fuuton and could easily hook you up with some simple tips."

    ^ Some bizarro version of Naruto chapter 317

    Bruh if thats not an admission of "I dont know Fuuton" for you then you wouldnt know one if it bit you in the ass
     
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    This doesn't mean anything, he's not the author anymore.
    So too is the manga.
    No it's not, since he explicitly does only because of the Data book. It's simply not listing him, mostly because that's redundant with the other information available.
    That's a confusing conclusion to jump to.
     
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    I know.
     
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    Nice work at properly reading the scans and the rest of my post.
     
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    what were you talking about then?
     
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    Dude's the god of shinobi, I see no reason why he wouldn't logically be able to. It's also however so below everything else he can do that there's no real point in doing it, and I suppose you could also make the argument his mokuton is so stupidly powerful that he never really bothered learning much from the other elements.

    In regards to the Kakashi stuff, people get way too caught up in what elements he can use. Given it's shoved in our face repeatedly that he knows 1,000+ jutsu in both the manga and databooks, some of those probably are futon. They're so inconsequential to him though that he doesn't even bother using them. It's made clear that raiton is his specialty, his suiton use is on the higher end, and his doton use isn't particularly high end but what he does with it is complimentary to his fighting style, so in the end, whether or not he can or can't use futon is kinda irrelevant and such a weird argument to pick.
     
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    I said I would try to find it.
     
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    Is that meant to be a Buddha exclusive jutsu or just Zetsu channeling his jutsu through Buddha like Madara summoning a meteor with his Susanoo?
     
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    No, it does not.
     
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    Given that random fodder with no affinity for Earth Release could learn and perform Earth Release: Earth Encampment Wall at the last minute, it stands to reason that Kakashi should be able to copy some Wind Release techniques as well.
     
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    I don't know what fodder are you talking about. :dank

    The Sharingan does not allow you to copy elements that you don't have. Now, after the DB4 fuckery (and perhaps even late retcons)
    learning all 5 elements is not impossible, so while this is not how the Sharingan is shown to be capable of doing originally because having all 5 elements (originally) was an impossible feat, for the sake of this argument it might be able to do so now that the retcon had already happened. :catshrug
     
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    Technically, everyone has every element, no? It's just the supreme users.who are noted, which isn't completely illogical

    No?

    So the idea of the sharingan having copying limits goes.against what we learned in that particular Arc

    Ohnoki learning Dust Release also shows that it doesn't need to be in the blood
     
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    I'm talking about when Ino helped transmit the hand-seals for an Earth Encampment Wall to the Alliance when they were trying to slow down a Tailed Beast Bomb.
     
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