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can kakashi successfully “kamui gg” without being in a group setting?

zaddyxx22

surrounded by ignorance
has kakashi ever landed kamui without being amped by another character or being within a team setting? is it possible for him do so without the buffs these different conditions give?
 

Bonly

Well-Known Member
Of course he can! His Kamui was so fast that Rinnegan Obito couldn't even notice it's sheer speed and expansion plus it's faster then 8th Gated Gai could move and even Madara gave it a complement. Kakashi can easily Kamui GG most characters and that's a fact!
 

Fused

The Absolute God
The fodder died to Deva Path/Asura Path :obamalaugh :obamalaugh:obamalaugh:obamalaugh:obamalaugh

Without his boyfriends to protect him, he gets speed-blitzed and oneshot by a lot of people, before he can even think of activating Kamui.

Kakashi is a damsel-in-distress, his boyfriend Guy is always there to protect him, the fatass Choza is always there to act as a human shield, but without these fools Kakashi truly is a sitting duck, he shall be destroyed by those who surpass him, such as Uchiha Madara.
 

zaddyxx22

surrounded by ignorance
Of course he can! His Kamui was so fast that Rinnegan Obito couldn't even notice it's sheer speed and expansion plus it's faster then 8th Gated Gai could move and even Madara gave it a complement. Kakashi can easily Kamui GG most characters and that's a fact!
to my knowledge kakashi has only used kamui while not amped or in a team setting once, and he had jelly knees after the fact. would that mean that portrayal points to kakashi not being able to use kamui without being in a group setting or having a chakra amp?
 

Bonly

Well-Known Member
to my knowledge kakashi has only used kamui while not amped or in a team setting once, and he had jelly knees after the fact. would that mean that portrayal points to kakashi not being able to use kamui without being in a group setting or having a chakra amp?

Kishi didn't give Kakashi many 1V1 fights for him to use Kamui. The few times he was alone like against Sasuke, he used Kamui pretty casually to deal with a Susanoo arrow. This logic is about the same as saying that Onoki never hit anyone with Jinton when not in a team setting so by himself he won't hit anyone. Would you try to downplay Onoki like you'd have to downplay Kakashi to come to this conclusion?
 

zaddyxx22

surrounded by ignorance















These are many examples of Kakashi using Kamui in a team setting without being amped , since the size of the portals used on the Gedo Statue were being enough to warp its head and arm , then someone who'll get targeted by the same portals would immediately die .

Against Obito , he couldn't Kamui GG him , as not only he can turn himself intangible , but he can also cancel his warp since their eyes are connected , but you can count Kakashi's feat of teleporting the KCM 2 clone that later on broke his mask in boxland was extremely useful , as well as the kunai and the Rasengan warp , since it proved crucial in damaging him .
kakashi is in a group setting in all of these situations. how does this disprove my point?
 

zaddyxx22

surrounded by ignorance
Kishi didn't give Kakashi any 1V1 fights for him to use Kamui on his own bar against Obito who got his ass beat without it. This logic is about the same as saying that Onoki never hit anyone with Jinton when not in a team setting so by himself he won't hit anyone. Would you try to downplay Onoki like you'd have to downplay Kakashi to come to this conclusion?
so portrayal points to kakashi not being able to kamui unless he’s in a group setting of buffed by chakra amps ?
 

zaddyxx22

surrounded by ignorance
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Kakashi used Kamui against Sasuke in a 1V1 so no portrayal doesn't point to that.
hmm... in that instance kakashi couldn’t even walk afterwards, not to mention the majority of his feats are due to this handicaps. portrayal points to him not being able to use it without being severely weakened after which doesn’t match up to his WA self which means WA kakashis kamui usage is an outlier or he gained massive reserves within a super short amount of time? the latter is much less likely
 

Bonly

Well-Known Member
hmm... in that instance kakashi couldn’t even walk afterwards,

Kakashi was walking fine afterwords, he even walked back to Konoha.


not to mention the majority of his feats are due to this handicaps. portrayal points to him not being able to use it without being severely weakened after which doesn’t match up to his WA self which means WA kakashis kamui usage is an outlier or he gained massive reserves within a super short amount of time? the latter is much less likely

So you say Kakashi can't use Kamui without messing himself up but then you admit that Kakashi usage in the war arc says otherwise? Kakashi has more uses of Kamui in the war arc then before the war but somehow you think the war arc usage is an outliner just because you don't like Kakashi not being weakened after using Kamui? :confusedny


Bro if you don't like that Kamui shits on your fave then just say that instead of making up outliners and what not just because the war arc shits on your ideas of how Kamui used to work. :obamalaugh
 

zaddyxx22

surrounded by ignorance
Kakashi was walking fine afterwords, he even walked back to Konoha.



So you say Kakashi can't use Kamui without messing himself up but then you admit that Kakashi usage in the war arc says otherwise? Kakashi has more uses of Kamui in the war arc then before the war but somehow you think the war arc usage is an outliner just because you don't like Kakashi not being weakened after using Kamui? :confusedny


Bro if you don't like that Kamui shits on your fave then just say that instead of making up outliners and what not just because the war arc shits on your ideas of how Kamui used to work. :obamalaugh
i said kakashi can’t reliably use kamui without being in a group setting or receiving some type of chakra amp. it’s an outlier because kakashi has never shown the capability to use kamui that way before the WA. not downplaying kamui at all, it’s just not something that can be used reliably without being in a group
 

Shazam

⚡⚡⚡
has kakashi ever landed kamui without being amped by another character or being within a team setting? is it possible for him do so without the buffs these different conditions give?

No.

Kakashi with teammates is top tier potential with Kamui snipes.

Solo, not so much.

Though his fans say things like "he will dig under the ground and LOL feint diff Kamui headshot"

No such thing happens as such in the manga, ever.
 

zaddyxx22

surrounded by ignorance
No.

Kakashi with teammates is top tier potential with Kamui snipes.

Solo, not so much.

Though his fans say things like "he will dig under the ground and LOL feint diff Kamui headshot"

No such thing happens as such in the manga, ever.
my point exactly, kamui is great in a team setting, but solo kamui has been used less than tsunade summoning katsuyu for battle
 

Vegito

Well-Known Member
No.

Kakashi with teammates is top tier potential with Kamui snipes.

Solo, not so much.

Though his fans say things like "he will dig under the ground and LOL feint diff Kamui headshot"

No such thing happens as such in the manga, ever.
But didn't Kakashi teleported a KCM2 Naruto clone so fast that Obito thought it had failed?
 

Hasan

Well-Known Member
Yes. If you consider the mechanics of his Kamui, you'd know that being in a team-setting means absolutely nothing. If he can use Kamui in a team-setting, he can use Kamui solo; if he can use Kamui defensively or as support, he can use it offensively.
 

~Kakashi~

Well-Known Member
He has warped things without a team assisting him or something boosting him. Saved the group from Deidara's explosion, warped the nail Deva sent at him, warped the missile shot at Chouji, warped a susanoo arrow. All of these were done either where teammates did nothing to assist the act or he was by himself.

Whether or not he would be able to warp an opponent depends on who the opponent is, what the setting is, intel, the circumstances, etc.

Against someone like Onoki who he hardcounters to hell and back, he could potentially warp Onoki after letting Onoki use jinton on a clone(Onoki can't see what's happening inside the jinton cube(or whatever other shape, so he's not going to know it was a clone), then warp him when Onoki thinks the fight is over. But wouldn't make any sense to choose kamui over just stabbing Onoki with raikiri, throwing a raiton kunai at him, whatever else. Onoki lacks intel to know Kakashi has such an ability, his own fighting style makes him susceptible to clone feinters, and Kakashi is top tier in the manga in clone feinting.

You take, say, konoha shinobi who are going to be aware of his clone feinting reputation/abilities, and a strategy like that becomes a lot less viable. The likes of Itachi, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Gai, Naruto, etc are going to know Kakashi is tricky and the fight is pretty much never going to be that simple.

Like I noted though, most scenarios(clone feint, maybe using a raiton bunshin to paralyze the opponent) that opens them up for an easy kamui snipe also opens avenues of killing that are far less taxing on him than kamui, and using kamui makes no sense. Which leads in to the next point..

You then have to take in the factor that Kakashi doesn't want to go blind. His reluctance to use kamui would have to stem pretty much entirely from that(with a small portion towards the draining effect it has on his body) I feel. If he loses sight in his sharingan, he loses the ability to accurately use kamui, loses raikiri, can no longer just copy/match the ninjutsu of his opponent, etc.

Which is why in character, Kakashi only uses kamui if he has no other choice.

So in an in character fight, the chances Kakashi just starts the fight with kamui is at practically 0%. Exceptions are made for characters he knows he can't hang with(Madara, as a canon example), but 99% of the verse he's going to exhaust all of his other options before going to that. When it comes to later in the fight and he's realized that he needs it to win, well, most characters are going to have things like summons, mass aoe ninjutsu, LOS blockers, using their top speed, etc that make that extraordinarily difficult.

In summary, can Kakashi effectively use kamui without help from others? Sure, depending on the setting. Is he going to use "kamui gg" as a strategy? Only in a last ditch, it's his only hope of winning scenario, and by that time it's entirely opponent and scenario dependent upon how likely it is to work.
 

Turrin

玄武
He can but so far I remain unconvinced of its speed being too fast for most High-Kage to react to and actually get GG’d
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
No.

Kakashi with teammates is top tier potential with Kamui snipes.

Solo, not so much.

Though his fans say things like "he will dig under the ground and LOL feint diff Kamui headshot"

No such thing happens as such in the manga, ever.

Jiraiya never won a fight in the manga either, technically, so going by your logic Jiraiya is trash tier :russ
 

ZmkSc

Well-Known Member
He almost got diedara, Solid kage level, with novice kamui without team help. He believed he could take out masked Madara with no one else interfering. His kamui was canonically faster than susano arrows which he and Danzu, two kage level, couldn't evade or even weave hand signs against it. In WA His kamui execution was proved to be as fast as obito's short range kamui which is fast enough to wrap Elite kage level like minato on touch if not for FTG except touching isn't a prequiste
for kakashi's. Kakashi's kamui was introduced as mainly an offensive jutsu. The idea it isn't or doesn't work best that way is just some before sleep ideas of desperate fans.
 

Francyst

Sakura + Sasuke = Sharinglasses
His clones work as a distraction, and he has managed to clone feint someone like Itachi. The group setting downplay is irrelevant.
 

Bonly

Well-Known Member
i said kakashi can’t reliably use kamui without being in a group setting or receiving some type of chakra amp.

No you didn't.

Spoiler:

to my knowledge kakashi has only used kamui while not amped or in a team setting once, and he had jelly knees after the fact. would that mean that portrayal points to kakashi not being able to use kamui without being in a group setting or having a chakra amp?



You outright said he can't use it without being in a group or having a chakra amp.


it’s an outlier because kakashi has never shown the capability to use kamui that way before the WA. not downplaying kamui at all, it’s just not something that can be used reliably without being in a group

That doesn't make sense. Do you not realize that Kakashi has been getting better and better with Kamui throughout part two? Do you not realize that would mean the restrictions he had beforehand wouldn't outright apply to his War arc self? Not only that but an outliner is things that doesn't match up with the rest so if Kakashi used Kamui 4 times before the war arc and then used Kamui 12 times after the war arc then the outliner would be the four times he used Kamui, not the 12 he used during the war. Again if you don't like Kamui and wanna downplay it then just say that instead of crying out "Outliners :dumbpepe"
 

Hazuki

Legend
kakashi fighting style is base on teamwork
it's not so surprising, he was the first to introduce the principle of teamwork

when he is alone, he is much more cautious and uses clones to understand the abilities of his enemy, it is mostly a defensive strategy


on the other hand when he is with other ninja ( or himself as a back up ) he is more offensive

that's why even his kamui technique has never been really offensive in general
he is above all a support in my opinion
 

Mad Scientist

Skyclad Observer
Some of the responses here reduce the overall IQ of the forum by statistically significant standards.

Suppose Orochimaru was flying towards Kakashi instead of Sasuke's V3 Susanō arrow.
 

Orochimaru op

大蛇丸
Kishi didn't give Kakashi many 1V1 fights for him to use Kamui
Kakazu comes up

Pain also comes up

Seven ninja swordsman would have been nice, it was team setting too which makes it more likely

V2 jins would have also helped considering he would have walked them from going Bm which would have been fatal if not for Naruto.

He DID have 1 v 1 fights, and also team fights as well. He had plenty.

Of course anyone who says he just won’t pull it out is trolling

Though it is highly unlikely he pulls it out early or mid game, it’s always been a very late game attack. That’s been a habitual occurrence with Kakashi. He doesn’t kamui GG until he’s alreayd forced into a high diff after a long battle

If this wasn’t the case, Kakazu would have died early, Pain wouldn’t have outright killed Kakashi, the seven ninja swordsmen wouldn’t have stalled him for 13 hours, and at least 1 of the jins would have gone to boxland.
 
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