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can kakashi successfully “kamui gg” without being in a group setting?

Crimson Flam3s

Rampage Sage
Yes he can, anyone in denial is just hilariously denying manga Canon.

Whether he does or doesn't depends on the scenario, if he has full knowledge against somebody he knows is way stronger than him then it's very likely he is pulling it out earlier in the battle than later.

The main problem is some members thinking/trolling that Kamui is too slow to work against most Kage Levels, yet Kakashi has demonstrated that it can work on attacks faster than what 2 solid Kage Levels can move or make Handseals, and he also finnesed Deva Path and Obito with Kamui right in front of their eyes.

The main hold back for him is his IC mentality of not wanting to go blind by overusing it and leaving it as last resort, but I would argue that mentality is greatly diminished in most BD scenarios since the only thing that matters is winning the battle, characters are not in total IC or else you wouldn't have Naruto and Jiraiya fighting to the death, that is not IC.
 

Devil_Jin

Well-Known Member
That is correct.

Indeed.
With that said, wouldn't it be hard to believe that Kakashi had the means to take down Madara, yet didn't even attempt it because he was "staying with Obito"? Madara is obviously a major threat. After being resurrected, he breaks free from Hashirama's restraints, then steals his Sage Mode, then recovers his first Rinnegan… Everyone could see when the plot was going, as Madara was gaining more and more powers. Would it really make sense that Kakashi didn't even try to stop him with Kamui, if we assume that Kamui would have had a realistic chance of succeeding?
Kakashi didn't know about any of the stuff you're talking about

And it's not like he was on a picnic with obito , he was occupied trying to stop BZ to take the rinnegan which is the main source of Madara's power.

Plus madara with limbo hard counters
Not sure what reasoning would be given for him not trying it on Madara/going to Madara. Certainly not the first time a character didn't do what would have made the most sense. Hell, not even close to the first time with just Kakashi, like why didn't he just stab Kisame or Itachi with raikiri when he showed up to help Asuma and Kurenai? Just sneak attack them like he did Kakuzu in the immortals arc. Or why not stab Deva Path in a similar fashion? Or at least if he was worried about Iruke getting impaled even if he did stab through Deva, just cut his arm off with raikiri.

In the end, who knows.

Because you don't see kakashi analysing either of those two from a close distance for some time to time his attack. We don't know from what distance or what timing or what direction he sees the fight first. Plus working on Kakuzu doesn't guarantee the others especially when kakazu is stationary and kisame and deva are trying to kill someone he wants to protect

Maybe the problem is you shouldn't treat this like a one dimensional pokemon fight "kakashi used sneak attack"

Like why Deidara didn't just suicide bomb constantly as a edo.
Because the alliance had knowledge and cut him off with lightning release
Kakashi didn't stick a kunai or raikiri in his gut instead of punching him in the gut,
Obito literally brings this up and says he wasn't determined to kill him yet, just as he wasn't when he stopped his chidori later on

The other is the only one you're remotely right about
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
Yes it’s be silly to imply otherwise

I promise guys there’s a middle ground between Kamui sniper gg Kakashi and he‘ll never use the move against my fave because he only uses it in teams

Ssh, people don't like hearing facts. Better to think Kakashi is just a fodder that still can't solo Zabuza :russ

Tbf I think the ''boom Mangekyo gg'' argument is overused too, it seriously underestimates Kakashi and doesn't take into account his mindset. Kakashi isn't spamming his Mangekyo any time soon (unless he NEEDS to do it, like against Obito, an opponent they had no clear way to even attack at the time - and even then Kakashi used it primarily to protect Naruto at first as opposed to injuring Obito). He can blitz the majority of Kages with Raikiri (outdoing KCM Naruto against Obito and his Jins consistently) and/or clone feint them like he did Pain.
 
Ssh, people don't like hearing facts. Better to think Kakashi is just a fodder that still can't solo Zabuza :russ

Tbf I think the ''boom Mangekyo gg'' argument is overused too, it seriously underestimates Kakashi and doesn't take into account his mindset. Kakashi isn't spamming his Mangekyo any time soon (unless he NEEDS to do it, like against Obito, an opponent they had no clear way to even attack at the time - and even then Kakashi used it primarily to protect Naruto at first as opposed to injuring Obito). He can blitz the majority of Kages with Raikiri (outdoing KCM Naruto against Obito and his Jins consistently) and/or clone feint them like he did Pain.
Honestly the fact that Deva though he was to shifty to approach while basically on his deathbed should put the whole argument to bed.

If you’re fighting Kakashi you’re in danger period
 

ZmkSc

Well-Known Member
how do you explain him never warping anything that can willingly change trajectories or dodge?
-Diedara says hi. Kakashi's first Kamui attempt ever caught Diedara who not just "can willingly change trajectories or dodge" but also extremely mobile one and that is Kakashi who was still getting used to his Kamui and stated he still can't properly control the size and the position of the barrier space and he was also restricted from using large Kamui wrap to make up for his bad barrier control or Garra's body, trapped inside clay bird's mouth, would have been wrapped or ripped off in the process.

-FKS Kakashi was willing to wrap masked man Madara which is another target that can willingly change trajectories or dodge and has the reputation of being one of the strongest shinobi's in the history.

also it is so unlikely that the target trapped in Kamui barrier space can move or escape it and that is supported by multiple occasions in the Manga and also DB's explanation for the Jutsu :

1- Diedra's explosion stoped expanding once it was enveloped with the Kamui's barrier space.

2- Kakashi took some time to adjust the size and the position of the Kamui barrier when used it against Diedara and Diedara had a several reactions and mind thoughts yet he couldn't move or shunshin out of the barrier.

3- when Kakashi wrapped his Kunai Raikeri in war arc, Kunai, being wrapped, stopped making any progress towards Naruto.

4- DB says that the target, being enveloped by barrier space, can struggle hopelessly implying that stepping out of the barrier is no option.
 

MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
Needs teammates
Guess this is why he removed deidara arm
Because naruto being there contributed a lot to it and distracted deidara right

I also assume chouji support is what allowed Kakashi to kamui the nail sent flying his way

don’t get me started on the arrow sasuke sent his way must have been Sakura assistance which boosted kamui
 

Shazam

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Guess this is why he removed deidara arm
Because naruto being there contributed a lot to it and distracted deidara right

I also assume chouji support is what allowed Kakashi to kamui the nail sent flying his way

don’t get me started on the arrow sasuke sent his way must have been Sakura assistance which boosted kamui

Deidara wasn't attacking. And wasn't flying in any eradicate behavior. He was flying slow enough in a straight line to lead them away from the cave. If Deidara is fighting back, no Kamui would have landed.
 

MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
Deidara wasn't attacking
So the enemy attacking changes how the jutsu works? Gotcha. Guess Amaterasu worked different when used against Hachibi who wasn’t attacking compared to against sasuke who was trying to flee. The author definitely showed that right :giogio
. And wasn't flying in any eradicate behavior. He was flying slow enough in a straight line to lead them away from the cave. If Deidara is fighting back, no Kamui would have landed.
See above
 

MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
If only the stupid reeeh clan had a brain they would know the much better argument to make against Kakashi kamui is
TSB at 70m is faster than it , the same TSB was no faster than minato Kunai throw

now seeing Minato wasn’t known for killing people via simply throwing some unavoidable Kunai it stands to reason kamui isn’t gg anyone before they can react

however the issue is 99% of the cast have zero defence against kamui so it’s speed which the reeeh clan are butthurt by has little relevance here
 

Shazam

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So the enemy attacking changes how the jutsu works? Gotcha. Guess Amaterasu worked different when used against Hachibi who wasn’t attacking compared to against sasuke who was trying to flee. The author definitely showed that right :giogio

See above

Deidara wasn't fighting Kakashi. Makes it heck of a lot easier when you get a free shot
 

Hasan

Well-Known Member
except he has never been shown to do so by himself, his best feats alone are warping things with set trajectories that don’t have the ability to change that trajectory
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When it comes to his Kamui, the main thing is his ability to see the target, or perceive (generally speaking) as that's how the technique works: He sees where the target is // determines how much chakra he needs // finally create a barrier around it to warp it. His ability to see the target doesn't magically get enhanced in a team setting and neither is the target somehow easier to see with a linear trajectory. It might be that the target is travelling linearly but too fast for him to see—in which case, he will fail. Similarly, the target might have irregular movements but he would still be able to see it—in which case, he will succeed.

You're entertaining an absurd notion, and the last time it was argued (by a Tsunade-supporter, no less), I was almost tempted to point out that Tsunade has never summoned Katsuyu when the opponent was pressuring her, so what gives that cases get made in NBD?
 
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MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
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When it comes to his Kamui, the main thing is his ability to see the target, or perceive (generally speaking) as that's how the technique works: He sees where the target is // determines how much chakra he needs // finally create a barrier around it to warp it. His ability to see the target doesn't magically get enhanced in a team setting and neither is the target somehow easier to see with a linear trajectory. It might be that the target is travelling linearly but too fast for him to see—in which case, he will fail. Similarly, the target might have irregular movements but he would still be able to see it—in which case, he will succeed.

You're entertaining an absurd notion, and the last time it was argued (by a Tsunade-supporter, no less), I was tempted to point out that Tsunade has never summoned Katsuyu when the opponent was pressuring her, so what gives that cases get made in NBD?
Hypocrisy mostly
All Sannin band are
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
It would be harder to use Kamui while your opponent fights back versus your opponent not fighting you.

Yes. Crazy thought right :rolleyes:

Yeah, it actually is crazy. It's like saying Doton: Yomi Numa is useless because their targets never fought back.
 

MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
An interesting logic for some Sannin wankers
Can katsuyu only be used in a fight if her enemy has already summoned

because that’s the only time it was used

discuss and expose your hypocrisy
 
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