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Can MS only be defeated by MS?

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by slumpy, Dec 8, 2005.

Can MS sharigan only be defeated by on MS sharingan

  1. yes

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  2. no

    36 vote(s)
    69.2%
  1. slumpy doesn't need a Custom title

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    What do you people think can the ms only be defeated by ms. Or is kishi going on a way in the manga, that there or other ways the encounter it.

    What do you think.
     
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  2. Crowe inactive - most of the time

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    You at least need sharingan to dispell Tsukiyome.
     
  3. Kyuubi Naruto Hounds of Justice

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    Only the Tsukiyomi, not the whole MS.
     
  4. ~Siggy~ I'll follow you, you follow me

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    Well my two cents are that one with MS can repel another's MS. Of course after the MS's have nullified eachother's effect's you still have to fight the other MS user with your, well normal skill's etc. Use extreme tactics to outsmart your opponentand so on. Just my two cents :amuse

    EDIT: Well yeah just like Kyuubi Naruto said maybe only the Tsukiyomi. I'm not sure about Ameterasu. It's just a big enigma to me
     
  5. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    A Sharingan user with Uchiha blood(maybe) is necessary to dispell Tsukuyomi, and I'd imagine a fair bit of experience/power would help. Just having the regular ol' Sharingan grants the user resistance to Itachi's Mangekyou Sharingan alone.

    As far as the other Ninjutsu done through Mangekyou Sharingan are concerned, we've already seen Ninjutsu that rival them in terms of power, or destructive capability. Mangekyou Sharingan grants the development and use of some powerful Ninjutsu, but they aren't the most powerful techniques around. Only thing that's "ultimate" about the Mangekyou Sharingan is it's Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, and it has two serious drawbacks.

    Check out the "Team Sharingan" triple-team super in Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen 4. That's probably the most accurate representation of Amaterasu we're going to get before we see it used in direct confrontation in the manga.
     
  6. CrazyMoronX Old Man

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    No, the MS gives the user total invincibility against anything, unless the person dishing out the pain has a MS too!

    It just warps reality and common sense that way! :thumbs
     
  7. shibigoku Master of the fist

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    Well KN is right but I don't think Amaterasu can be countered by something other than Amaterasu (or a danm high suiton jutsu). Since there are only three Uchiha's out (we don't know one of them), I'll put name's in it. Kakashi is not one of them and I don't think he can do Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu. If Sasuke wants to kill Itachi he'll have to gain MS so that he can dispell Tsukiyomi and do Amaterasu (the databook said that Amaterasu could only be done by MS users). And I'm not sure about this, but I read a few weeks ago in the forum that there could be a third MS jutsu called susano (or something like that).
     
  8. Last of the Uchihas Get your own girls, Jonas!

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    We already know that there is a third jutsu to MS and it not susanowo.
     
  9. Odlam Team 7 4 Life

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    Yes, having an MS makes you completely invincible to everyone, which is why Kakashi is now stronger than Sandaime Prime

    What? You mean hes not? STOP CRUSHING MY FANBOY DREAMS!
     
  10. Leen Peacemaker

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    Which jutsu are u talking about??? :blink

    Mind telling me? I dont quite know.
     
  11. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    He's talking about Kakashi's Mangekyou Sharingan Ninjutsu.

    It could be Sasanowo. Could be something completely different.
     
  12. bearzerger Major Cliff Allister McLane

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    I really doubt it, for one we know there's going to be a rematch between Sasuke and Naruto in the future and Naruto is going to win that one and I say by then Sasuke will have achieved the Mangekyou and even if he hasn't by then I furthermore doubt Kishi will create any invincible jutsu. I'm 100% certain that in the end of the 2nd Naruto-Sasuke fight not jutsu of any kind will decide the outcome but only sheer determination and guts, just look at his fights so far, against Haku a straight punch in the face, against Neji an uppercut, against Gaara a headbut and a right hook if I remember correctly. Those finishers aren't what you could call shinobi like. So where was I, right why MS can't be invincible. The answer to that was already given by Jiraya during the Sannin meet, a Shinobi is more than his jutsu, it's the spirit that never gives up which decides the outcome of the fight. Ergo there can't be any ultimate or whatever you wanna call them jutsu. It's as simple as that.
     
  13. Rangamaru Obito Killed The Uchiha Clan

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    I doubt it. I think that was said as a premise to the fight between Itachi and Sasuke.
     
  14. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    The only thing that you need a Mangekyou Sharingan to counter is Tsukiyomi, but in order to be effected by that you need to be stupid enough to look the sharingan user in the eyes.

    Other than that it gives you powerful tecniques, but nothing unbeatable.
     
  15. MartialHorror The Convicted Cinephile!

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    I think it's possible to defeat the user,

    just not very easy.

    I think Gai has the best chance of defeating Itachi other than an MS user.

    Even orochimaru, if he knew about it and had to fight with his eyes closed or whatever, would fight very sloppily.
     
  16. Gallic Rush Why not?

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    Step 1. Don't get noticed.

    Step 2. Stab Mangekyou Sharingan user repeatedly in the back, gang-style.

    Step 3. Dispose of the evidence... Fufufufufufufufufu.....
     
  17. Nara_Shikamaru246 ph34r t3h cute one.

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    There's another way of defeating the sharingan user as shown by this:


    Damn it got resized..let me try to fix it.
     
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  18. Chamcham Trigger 光翼型近接支援残酷戦闘機“エヴァッカニア・ドゥーム

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    Wait. So Tsukuyomi can get dispelled then? I didn't think there was a way besides prevention. I wonder how it works to see someone disspell it, I also wonder if Kakashi can disspell it now even without Tsukuyomi...unless he's hiding that under his belt too. I always wondered why he thought he would be able to look into his eyes and survive anyway...unless they were just trying to find a way to introduce the move
     
  19. Nara_Shikamaru246 ph34r t3h cute one.

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    I think that when you have MS when someone uses Tsukuyomi on you, you can also take some control in the tsukuyomi world. So then it becomes a battle of wills or something. I guess we'll have to wait to see for sure though.
     
  20. LynnAzure La Maga de los Sue?os

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    no, the MS has yet to make anyone invincible so my answer is no.
     
  21. SleepingDisaster I fight for what I believe in

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    need another "amaterasu" like to block amaterasu
    but it doesnt necessary if you're fast enogh to avoid it
     
  22. Spy_Smasher Well-Known Member

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    MS seems to me to be the most powerful bloodline in the series so far. Having said that, it does have limits. In order to defeat it, you either need to have the MS yourself or to work within those limits.

    For example, Amaterasu is likely range-limited, like Katons are. A shinobi like Deidara with his long-range attacks would probably have little problem handling a MS user who only had Amaterasu.

    Tsukiyomi requires eye contact. As Gai did, a high-level taijutsu specialist can defeat it by fighting without looking directly at his or her opponent, thus rendering it useless.

    Kakashi's version (at least at this point) requires careful aiming. An unpredicatable speed demon, like drunken Lee, would probably be immune to this jutsu.

    Of course, all MS users share a weakness in that MS drains your energy dramatically.

    That doesn't mean it's easy. Itachi, at least, is capable of using both Amatersu and Tsukiyomi as well as having high-level skills in Tai-, Nin- and Genjutsu. To defeat him requires an outstanding ninja ... of which there are a handful.
     
  23. vagnard Well-Known Member

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    You don't need to be stupid...It's natural look your enemy to his eyes....Kakashi knew this info because he has the sharingan and Gai because he his Kakashi's rival. Thanks to Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai weren't killed. They aren't the common ninja population.

    Hell...even after the timeskip Naruto, Sakura and Chiyo were ready to fight Itachi without knowing anything about Tsukiyomi.
     
  24. Tsukiyomi is useless against Kisame.

     
  25. geminis Active Member

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    I think if the person gets caught in the tsukiyomi then they will need another ms to counter. MS can probably be beaten by a very powerful chakra like the kyuubi's or a person who can shut off his/her own chakra flow automatically. The best method would be prevention like Gai. Not looking into Itachi's eyes is like a double-edged sword, the ninja will leave plenty openings for Itachi to attack or prepare jutsus since the ninja will be following feet,shadow,listening for movements and etc. to pinpoint Itachi's exact location and strike.

    I think nins like deidara,gai,jiraiya are good matchup against Itachi.
     
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