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Can Rinnegan be awaken if....

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Djomla, Aug 10, 2018.

  1. Djomla Jedi Master

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    A Senju takes in Uchiha cells, DNA, whatever?

    Both times when Rinnegan was awaken on paper it required Ashura + Indra chakra or rather Hagoromo's.

    But it both cases it was an Uchiha with SHARINGAN that took the chakra and then the eye EVOLVED into Rinnegan. Even that anime filler went the same route with Hagoromo first having Sharingan, then MS and then evolving it into Rinne.

    So what would happen if Hashirama and Madara switched places? And he took Madara's cells? Would Hashirama also awake Rinnegan even though he didn't have Sharingan to begin with? Or his Wood would became harder? What?

    Can he take the eyes themselves like Obito and Kakahi did? And once he plants them into his eye holes, and his and Sharingan chakra have sex, would that result into Rinnegan?

    PS. Apologies to mods if the similar thread exists. Thanks in advance to everyone for your answers.
     
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  2. Djomla Jedi Master

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  3. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    I think a Uchiha eyes are still special enough and need to be stolen.

    Dunno if he could awaken even a Sharingan if given Sakura's eyes for example.

    Much less attain EMS by taking the eyes of a regular dude to regain his light.

    Then again...who knows. Six Path chakra occurance might be unique though since it makes one the pinnacle of a being who encompasses both Asura and Indra legacy. Plus Obito's soul entering Kakashi's body might be way beyond just receiving some chakra.

    Madara himself needed many decades even for his EMS to change into the Rinnegan.
     
  4. indrasarrow Blood Circulator

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    No, I don't think so. Naruto didn't awaken the Rinnegan after receiving So6P's chakra, Sasuke did.
     
  5. Callen Well-Known Member

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    Kuro Zetsu implied it. The door swings both ways. :jaeshrug
     
  6. Buuhan Hokage of the Six Paths

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    Maybe Hashirama would awaken RSM. Just throwing the thought out there.
     
  7. Karyu Endan Smilies = Not serious

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    That's because Naruto didn't have Indra's chakra. He had fragments of all nine Bijuu and mastered Sage Mode, so he got Six Paths Senjutsu instead.

    Sasuke got Rinnegan because he was a transmigrant of Indra that had Hashirama's and Naruto's chakra (transmigrants of Asura) transferred to him recently when he was stabbed to near-death.

    In theory it's possible for a transmigrant of Asura's to awaken the Rinnegan, if indeed the only requirements are both transmigrants' chakra being in the same body on the brink of death (note that Madara didn't awaken his Rinnegan until he was about to die of old age despite having Hashirama's chakra implanted in him for decades). But it never happened for one reason or another, either because something about the Uchiha Clan's eyes are a requirement or Black Zetsu just thought Indra's transmigrants were easier to manipulate.
     
  8. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Or maybe Kuro Zetsu hoped a Asura incarnate would steal the eyes from a Indra incarnate.
     
  9. RAGING BONER #UrNext

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    I doubt it.

    all these traits come from hybridized alien DNA.

    An eye as particular as Rinnegan isn't just going to awaken simply by mixing chakra. You'd likely need the sharingan template every time.
     
  10. indrasarrow Blood Circulator

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    but is Indra's chakra really required when you already have Hagoromo's chakra which has both, Indra's and Asura's chakra? You only need the mixture of Indra and Asura chakra to recreate Hagoromo chakra but what if you already directly receive the latter?
     
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  11. Mindovin Well-Known Member

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    Maybe Hagoromo selected what to give Naruto and Sasuke.
     
  12. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    It would be easier for Hashirama, all he'd need to do transplant Madara's eyes. The EMS chakra would immediately react with Hashirama's own chakra and then the Rinnegan would form.

    The issue with Madara was that he didn't take enough of Hashirama's cells.
     
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  13. Reviewing Logic Peekaboo I see you! ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

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    No I think by default you would need the physical sharringan eye

    not sure if it has to be an EMS version of it either

    think of it like the Tenseigan needing the Moon Otsutusuki's chakra to awaken and a pure byakugan

    maybe like Toneri, Hashirama would be able to gain it by just stealing Madara's eyes

    all the rinnegan stuff are easier to gain via chakra fruit though so the previous hassle isn't the primary form of access

    I find it funny though that once the rinnegan becomes a rinnegan via the Madara means then it stays that way unless the user himself reverts it back

    plucking the eye out in its rinnegan state wouldn't revert it back into the sharringan
     
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  14. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Yes it would be the same as long as it's an Ashura reincarnate like Hashirama or Naruto taking an Indra reincarnate's DNA

    :kermitthink
     
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  15. Iwanko Well-Known Member

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    Yes. It was stated that you just need Indra and Ashura chakra to get Hagoromo chakra and awaken the Rinnegan.
     
  16. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    You need the Sharingan for Rinnegan

    Thats directly stated

    A Senju, even one thats a reincarnation of Ashura, wont awaken Rinnegan unless they steal an Uchihas eyes, and even then only if that Uchiha happens to be Indras reincarnation themselves.

    A Senju who took Uchiha cells within them and mixed their chakra would likely awaken Rikudo Senjutsu of some kind, although as shown with Madara, the method of DNA mixing takes years to manifest as Rikudo power.
     
  17. Djomla Jedi Master

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    Do you by any chance have a scan? :)

    Also, thanks for the answer.
     
  18. PureWIN Mr. Prince

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    Just to be clear, to awaken the Rinnegan death or near-death is required. That is the reason why it took Madara so long to unlock his Rinnegan, but it happened immediately for Sasuke. It makes sense as the eye itself is all about reincarnation and their lifecycle.
     
  19. Iwanko Well-Known Member

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    Proof please ? In the manga Hagoromo never had the Sharingan.
     
  20. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    . Making Sharingan a prerequisite.



    In the latter scan, Madara also implies its written on the Stone tablet that Uchihas can awaken it.

    Its never once even hinted an Ashura reincarnate can, and every time gaining the Rinnegan is brought up, its explicitly stated that only Indras line can gain it.

    Ashuras line lacks the eyes and mental power to gain it, thats also why Madara or Sasuke didnt gain Rikudo Senjutsu after gaining RIkudo powers, they got Rinnegan instead. Ashuras line mixing their power with Indras line would, if anything, develop Rikudo Senjutsu. Not Rinnegan.
     
  21. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    Not that we know of :thumbsup

    You need the Sharingan to recreate Hagoromos power or Rikudo chakra within your eyes. And Rikudo chakra manifests itself differently depending on what line you are talking about. Thats my entire point.

    With Indras line you get Rinnegan, and with Ashuras you get Rikudo Senjutsu.
     
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  22. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Actually ending on death's door might also be a requirement.

    Both Sasuke and Madara awakened their Rinnegan when they were close to death.

    Perhaps with the Rinne theme one must be close to the next reincarnation to awaken the Rinne power. :catthinks

    Also the eyes might not contain enough Indra chakra for the transformation to take place. Could otherwise a normal person who put EMS eyes into his/hers sockets awaken Rinneagan after a major Asura chakra transfusion?

    Susanoo itself which seems to be the ultimate manifestation of a Uchiha Yin chakra also seems to come out of the body as Madara could even without eyes.

    And then there is the matter why Kakashi had trouble using the sharingan for lacking a Uchiha body. So the Uchiha body itself is also strongly connected to Indra's power aside from the eyes themselves.

    So I think Hashi would also need a Madaraboob to enhance his body with Indra's Yin chakra further.
     
  23. Iwanko Well-Known Member

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    [QUOTE="WorldsStrongest, post: 58946473, member: 255399" . Making Sharingan a prerequisite.[/QUOTE]
    Context. BZ chose Madara over Hashirama because he was obssesed with power.
    In the end he gave all his power to Ashura.
    Hagoromo destroyed this theory .
    Would be odd if in tablet that was made for Uchiha was way for Senju how to get the Rinnegan

    Wrong.They cant awaken Sharingan because they don't have Uchiha blood and Hashirama and Naruto cant awaken the Rinnegan because they never tried to mix Indra and Ashura chakra.. On the other hand both Sasuke (from implanted Hashirama cells) and Madara had Ashura chakra.
     
  24. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    That's not even remotely true.. You're assuming. Momoshiki never had the Sharingan
     
  25. Hagoromo Ohtsutsuki Sage Of Six Paths

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    Orochimaru,kabuto, and madara proved that mixing madara and hashirama powers results in the (eventual) awakening of rinnegan. Kabuto also later mixed hashirama and Sasuke powers and a rinnegan spawned again. Hagoromo himself confirmed that it must be indra and ashura chakra that mixes in order to get his own chakra an power.
     
  26. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Hagoromo pretty much told us the requirement, combining Asura and Indra's chakra gives his chakra, therefore the Rinnegan. I used to say Senjutsu was a requirement due to the death part plus the fact that Madara found it easy to manipulate NE while Sasuke had a Sage put Sage infused Hashirama cells in him. However, the Otsutsuki lack the Rinnegan, so that obviously wasn't it. Its just Indra chakra + Asura chakra.

    Sasuke has it quicker because more Hashirama cells were within him and he actually had Hashirama's chakra which would've reacted to the Senjutsu and Juugo's cells reaction to the Senjutsu. Madara had to wait for that piece of flesh he bit off to generate Hashirama chakra to fuse with his own.

    The EMS is the epitome of Indra's chakra as it can only be obtained by his transmigrant taking another MS. So logically it has enough of Indra's chakra to react to Hashirama's chakra to form the Rinnegan. Tobirama's explanation indicated such with the Uchiha's chakra and Sharingan.

    Yin chakra isn't exclusive to the eyes, remember, Indra inherited the Yin which was the eyes and chakra. Susanoo forming without eyes was likely the chakra part.
     
  27. Ganta Not the Ganta from Narutobase. Stop Hollering PMs.

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    :oh The Rinnegan is Hagoromo's gift to Sasuke.
     
  28. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    I suppose Hagoromo also gave Madara the Rinnegan. :lmao
     
  29. kayz Well-Known Member

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    But Uchiha's chakra is produced in the optic nerves, no?
     
  30. Ganta Not the Ganta from Narutobase. Stop Hollering PMs.

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    Hm. This is one of those weird time-warps I actually agree with dunce boy.


    Don't suppose! Read!!

    Naruto Chapter 681, page 3.
     
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