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Can Smoker be redeemed as a Luffy rival?

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Kishido, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. Kishido Well-Known Member

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    what you think?
     
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    I made a similar thread back in February saying that he's out of his league to keep up with Luffy at this point



    Maybe Oda might give him a power up. Maybe he won't. But if he doesn't I'd like for Oda to have him defeat someone on his caliber and stop pretending that he can take Luffy on only for him to lose again. It's only so much times I can handle Oda telling us how much stronger Luffy is compared to his supernova and marine frenemies.
     
  3. Kishido Well-Known Member

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    Oh ok was on hiatus most likely. Will check the thread out

    But to be honest. I’m much more pissed about Smoker portrayal as Sanji’s

    And everyone knows how I find Sanji’s shit
     
  4. Edward Teach Well-Known Member

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    I honestly think he's going to be strong enough to challenge him. but not win. He's going to be hella strong though. next time we see him, he'll be able to beat people like Doffy and cracker.
     
  5. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    too many worthy marines for that. not a chance
     
  6. MrPopo Well-Known Member

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    The age of smoker is over, its time for Koby to take his place as Luffy's marine rival.
     
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    Smoker's gotten big powerups before, I wouldn't be surprised if he get's one the next time we see him in battle. Realistically I don't see him going past being able to challenge G2/G3 Luffy unless he comes to some breakthrough with his DF besides throwing smoke punches.

    EoS I see him being slightly above Doffy, maybe move onto having more of a commentator/adviser role that gives a different perspective on events than a rival to Luffy.
     
  8. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Sure he can. Its odas manga.

    Would it be a load of BS for smoker to give luffy a super hard fight you bet your ass it would be.

    But one piece has a lot of bs so why not.
     
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    I think Smoker will always be a tier or two behind Luffy at this point. But I think Smoker is still going to be strong enough to cause Luffy some problems for the rest of the series. He held his own against Vergo much more effectively than Sanji. So that's a significant level of growth. And he's smart, obsessive and has resources as a marine.

    Also, given that he has a color and a logia fruit, I think its likely that he'll reach the level of "not actually an admiral but with the status and strength of an admiral". And he'll keep Luffy's respect as a difficult person to fight.

    If the series was set 50 years in the future, and someone was talking about the legendary Pirate King/Yonko/whatever Strawhat Luffy. They would talk about Smoker as the guy who fought Luffy and almost caught him on a few occasions. Even if Smoker never actually reached the same level of strength Luffy attained in his prime. In other words, I think Smoker will be Luffy's Garp.
     
  10. Charlotte D. Kurisu Arcade Moderator

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    Smoker stopped being Luffy's rival by Fishman Island. That's 6 years ago fam. He's gonna job to Barto by the final war.
     
  11. neonlight Only God - Buggy Sama

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    It would be funny, if not it happened too many times, when Luffy runs away from the 'marine' smoker.
     
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    Oda underrated the series popularity and by extension its length. Willing to bet Smoker was designed to be somewhere near the Admirals, but by the time Aokiji got introduced Oda was already planning long term and Smoker's relevance fell through the cracks somewhere. Best case scenario he gets Kabuto'd into a shitty thrown together villain with random powers.. ie. his awakening powers wont make a lick of sense.
     
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    hooooooo my god smoke awakening might actually be dope if done right.
     
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    He was never Luffy's rival and at this point he will be lucky to keep pace with Coby.
     
  15. Charlotte D. Kurisu Arcade Moderator

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    It could either be the best most hax utility fruit, or the dumbest shit ever that gets neg-diffed by a Yonkou Commander. No in between.
     
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    Koby is already being carved into Garps successor as we speak, the age difference between Luffy and Koby isn't as huge as between Luffy and Smoker where the latter is nearing his prime and could be his father while Koby is very talented kid with insane potential who actually still has a fuckton of room to grow and improve.
     
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    Why does it have to be either coby or smoker? luffy can have multiple pirate rivals but only have 1 marine rival?
     
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    This is one piece, the manga of dreams. Anyone can be redeemed. I don't see Smoker being Luffys main rival or on his level at the end, but I see Smoker reaching Admiral level
     
  19. Go D. Usopp Straw Hats Wanker

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    its rly hard to come bk from the 4 L's he got at PH

    he can be sanji's rival in taking the L's
     
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  21. hehey a synonym for greatness

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    Smoker will always be a threat to someone like Luffy by virtue of the old Sea Stone Jitte....

    Even someone like Marco got taken out for a while with the help of a mere VA with some seastone cuffs back in Marineford.... dont underestimate the stone....
     
  22. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Lufft CoA may protect him.
     
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    Maybe he can if he unlock awakening.
     
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    He can turn into smoke , enter through your mouth. You can't breathe anymore.


    You die.

    :doge
     
  26. Sixth Ranger Happy Holidays

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    Luffy has no rivals, he only has allies beside him or stepping stones in front of him.
     
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    he's been long forgotten ...

    he's out gunned and outmatched...
     
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    The dude is made of fucking smoke. He should've been rendered irrelevant before Sabaody, but he's definitely nothing to Luffy now.
     
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    Smoker has bitten the dust, for arcs now

    he is a nobody as of now
     
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    smoker would have better luck being sanji's rival than luffy's at this point :amuse. and tashigi, maybe chopper's rival.
     
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