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Can we agree that this is when Naruto surpassed Minato overall?

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Final Jutsu, Aug 10, 2018.

When did Naruto surpass Base Minato as an overall shinobi?

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  1. Final Jutsu Best of the Best

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    Here, Kurama states Naruto surpassed Base Minato and Kushina at the same time. Going by Minato's feats this is when it makes the most sense.. So It was Bijuu Mode that he surpassed Base Minato as an overall shinobi.

    - /threads/policy-on-scans-general-anime-manga-content-and-legal-sources.1126296/ -


    IMO this image in chapter 430 page 17 "Naruto has surpassed those who came before him"

    - /threads/policy-on-scans-general-anime-manga-content-and-legal-sources.1126296/ -

    was simply in Sage mode. I believe this because we eventually find out that Minato has Sage Mode, but not on par with Naruto. Also because Minato's feats were eventually revealed to be above Naruto's at this point.

    Aside from this there were numerous comparisons made to Minato when Naruto learned KCM..which Naruto himself stated was above his Sage Mode(when he fought Pain). Eventually BM was when even Kakashi thought Naruto was Minato when seeing his speed. So as you see, slowly the series indicated when Naruto began and finally surpassed Minato.

    Naruto > Minato's Rasengan when he learned Rasenshuriken

    Naruto > Minato's Sage Mode when he fought Pain

    Naruto = Minato's speed when he learned Bijuu Mode. Surpassed Minato speed with BSM due to the boosts it gives. Even then, it only applies to Shunshin due to Hiraishin being instant.


    All this was prior to revealing BM Minato. So what does that indicate? It indicates that BM Minato > BM Naruto obviously. Due to Minato now receiving BM attribute boosts. Feats showcased Minato being on par with BM Naruto, and IMO above him with Hiraishin included. Then it happened..Naruto combined Sage Mode with BM. That's where BM Minato is surpassed. Sage Mode boost in strength was where he surpassed Edo BM Minato. Can anyone give reasons as to why not? He simply performed above Minato in feats after this point.

    Anyways, I made this topic in a hurry.. Mainly to indicate where he more than likely finally surpassed his Father in base. I saw many people still stating that he was surpassed in the Pain arc..but based on feats, was that likely?

    All in all

    BSM Naruto > BM Minato > BM Naruto > Base Minato > KCM Naruto > Sage Mode Naruto > Base Naruto
     
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    oh and sorry for the broken images.. I haven't posted in a while and am not sure which sites are still allowed.
     
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    Kurama was speaking nonsense and base Minato is not above KCM Naruto.
     
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    Sage Mode Naruto is like on par with Minato, but Kurama Naruto is stronger
     
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    Do you mean KCM or BM?
     
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    I meant Bijuu Mode, but KCM Naruto is prob stronger too
     
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    He meant he surpassed both of them in the chakra transmitting ability.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Kurama was referring to Naruto's chakra transfer ability. :ahmm

    Imo, Naruto reached Minato's level when he gained KCM, and after he got more used to it and got rid of Kurama's hindrance he surpassed him.
     
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    Chapter 430 literally said Naruto surpassed those that came before him while having the visuals indicate Minato was included in that.
    There is a reason Edo Minato was revived stronger than he was alive. If Minato wasn't surpassed a number of sagas ago, then there'd be no need to revive him stronger. :edu

    Chapter 617 refers to the chakra transfer technique hence it was the focus of the discussion.
     
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