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Can we all agree than Naruto is....

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Hussain, Nov 10, 2018.

Can we?

  1. Yes, we can

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  2. No, we cannot

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  3. Naruto is physically stronger, but I don't want to admit it....

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  1. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    physically stronger than PS and can destroy it with his punches? :hmm

    based on the feat Vs portrayal thread. :catwalk

    Kaguya's arms Vs PS


    Naruto's punch Vs Kaguya's arm





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    So, can we agree that based on FEATs Naruto can destroy Sasuke's PS with his physical strength only? :cat

    Thank you :blobblush
     
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  2. WorldsStrongest Dio With It

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    If Naruto is physically stronger than PS that means hes physically stronger than a RSM amped Kurama Avatar as well

    As is anyone who scales to RSM naruto

    Such as Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Adult Sasuke, JJ Madara, Hagoromo, Hamura and of course Kaguya

    All of these names can oneshot Rinnegan PS and RSM Kurama apparently :catwalk

    Of course its made even WORSE when you consider that half of these names scale to a STRONGER Naruto than the one who has these feats :catwalk

    Kaguya>Hagoromo>=Hamura>=Fused Momoshiki >= Adult Naruto>= Adult Sasuke >=Teen RSM Naruto >>> Rinnegan PS and RSM Kurama :catwalk
     
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    That wasnt just RSM naruto tho

    That was RSM WITH Steam release
     
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    Of course he is, I thought everyone knew this about the young lord, damn those haters and downplayers :blobban
     
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  5. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    Irrelevant to this thread topic. :blobblush

    irrelevant to this thread topic :blobblush

    That's cool and all, but can we agree that based on feats
    Naruto can destroy Sasuke's PS with his punch? (powered up by the 5tails)

    Thank you. :blobblush
     
  6. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but that's still physical power. :catwalk
     
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    EMS Mads? I'd agree.
    Rinne Sauce? Only with Steam Release.

    Then again, I don't view releasing Kurama's full avatar as making his SPSM/BM stronger.
     
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    Kay :blobdance
    Not irrelevant at all

    VERY relevant actually

    Youre discussing altering Narutos strength according to the general consensus, this topic affects anyone who scales to him as well :blobdance
    According to feats hed hardly need Steam release to blow either PS or Kurama away

    His RSM chakra arms stalemated Kaguya



    RSM Kurama would scale to that feat

    Maybe he would need Steam release to make it definitive that hes > constructs :catshrug
     
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    Curious to hear your reasoning for voting "no" @Isaiah13000
     
  10. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    Not really. You scale them like this

    Meanwhile, Naruto overpowered Kaguya herself, so how come you put her above him? :lmao
    Also, what feat does Adult Sasuke has that is comparable to Teen Naruto powered up by the 5tails power? None. :catshrug

    just because X and Y are rivals or around the same general level, that does not mean they have to be equal or comprable in
    every little thing. I hope you understand that. :catshrug

    For example, you won't see anyone comparing Naruto's "Skills" in Genjutsu to Rinnegan Sasuke, or even Kurnai for that matter. :lmao

    it did not stalemate Kaguya, it overpowered her. There is a difference. :gokuyeaboi


    1- She did not use her chakra arms here
    2- pretty sure she is the one being attacked, rather than the one attacking... :hmm
    At least, that's how I have always viewed that panel.... :hmm

    That's all I wanted to see. Than you. :blobblush


    Narudo too strong... :blobcookie
     
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    Yes really
    That was a joke list that took a jab at you mentioning the "portrayal" thread you cited as inspiration

    Naruto has better striking feats than Kaguya :catshrug

    I have never nor will ever argue that
    Hes comparable to ADULT RSM and Fused Momoshiki in physical power

    Given Narutos post war gains, its entirely possible Adult RSM > Teen Steam release

    And if Adult Naruto is, so is Adult Sasuke.

    Sure

    But idk why youd bring that up when I never used that logic to elevate anyone anywhere in thsi thread

    Sasuke has FEATS of his PHYSICAL PARAMETERS being ON PAR with ADULT Naruto in his STRONGEST FORM.

    Theres no "general level/rival" logic or scaling there...Theres tangible evidence to make that claim.
    Because Naruto doesnt have Genjutsu feats anywhere close to comparable to Sasukes or Kurenais.

    Sasuek however DOES have physical feats comparable to Adult Narutos in RSM.

    Making this a great false equivalence
    Narutos RSM chakra arm?

    Overpowered hers?



    At least not in that exchange
    That we know of

    As I said, most of the exchange happens off panel.

    But we do know Sasukes PS lasted an extended period of time against her and didnt suffer any damage.
    ...Doesnt look like an attacking motion to me at all

    Looks more like PS blocked something Kaguya tried and actually pushed her back
     
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    Don't forget, his strength is the strength of his kyuubi boost, plus the strength enhancement of SPSM.

    Though, he matched Kaguya with chakra fists. So, really, it's Naruto's bijuu mode that can slap the shit out of PS.
     
  13. Isaiah13000 The Snake that slithered over the Moon

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    At first I disagreed cause the whole premise was thrown off by the fact that it didn't look like Kaguya was using her chakra arms against Naruto, but after looking at it again I noticed it and changed my vote.
     
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    Stop using :blobblush Huss. It does not suit you.
     
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    By feats, he can do it with Steam Release.
     
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    With a punch. Because he punched her.
     
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    Of course RSM Naruto with his Chakra Arms or Steam Release can destroy PS.
     
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    I thought he needed his large avatar to rival PS in strength?
     
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    I guess Naruto was doing a himself a disservice here.(Chapter 695 page 9) He should've said F U to the avatar and went at Sasuke using purely the strength from his punches. Maybe that would have convinced Sasuke that he doesn't have a chance ,and may have deescalated the fight before limbs went missing.:zaru
     
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    I am guessing that's way he went straight to his avatar after seeing PS?
     
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    Hmmm...Naruto with Steam release overpowered only a regular punch from Kaguya rather than the super chakra punches she used against PS.

    As for when he broke through those fists with his clones there is no confirmation that the chakra fists Kaguya used against him were as powerful as these she used against PS which looked btw quite bigger. :hm

    No way to confirm it without Naruto destroying PS that way.

    That said it would be really funny if it was true. :hurr :hurr :hurr

    It would hype QUEEN Sakura immensely. After all Kaguya took no visible damage from RSM Naruto's Steam powered punch while Sakura's CES punch shattered her horn and made her bleed. :pimp

    Could we all agree then that Sakura's CES punch can not only destroy regular PS but also possibly BPS since Kaguya is most likely above BPS and yet was rather hurt by Sakura's punch? And that was a punch from a TIRED Sakura who did not have Byakugou spread all over her face!!! :gar

    And that is without taking into account that Kaguya was able to react and destroy PS in a similar situation while was unable to do so(or even dodge) a punch from Queen Sakura. Sakura's speed>>>PS. :gar
     
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    By feats in terms of pure destructive power alone probably. But that's not how Naruto works. The strongest attacks have the least AOE and kinetic energy (8G Gai Night Moth, Bone Ash Macabre Pulse, Totsuka, Nunoboko, Air Palm etc cera.) so that isn't a good measure of whether it'll do what you think it does on a certain entity. He chose the avatar for a reason, that's the only thing that can stand against PS. It's a matter of kryptonites.
     
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    Naruto was nerfed when he fought Sasuke

    Yes even with the Kurama avatar
     
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    Kaguya was holding back when facing Naruto in the ice dimension, in order to absorb his chakra. BZ also informs his mother to conserve her chakra for the time being.
    Spoiler:




    Only after Naruto and Sasuke are reunited does BZ advise Kaguya to stop saving her chakra.

     
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    Manga evidence from Hussain, and excuses from those in denial.

    OT: Naruto has the physical prowess to break through PS. Kaguya > Naruto > Sasuke.
     
  26. wooly Eullerex BTW, Izanagi is a ninjutsu; chidori is a nin-taijutsu

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    fictions gonna fiction...
     
  27. wooly Eullerex BTW, Izanagi is a ninjutsu; chidori is a nin-taijutsu

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    he certainly isnot stronger that it.
    but he can affect it with his punches
     
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    Naruto solos :nice
     
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    Lol no Adult Sasuke is not even closer to RSM physically.

    When Naruto punches Momoshiki.


    When Momo Kicks Naruto.


    When Momoshiki punches Sasuke.

    One punch Sasuke was flying in sky and Naruto had an entire taijutsu sequence during that time before Sasuke came.


    And Sasuke needs lightning amp to be fast as RSM.
    Lightning mode activated.

    Sasuke uses lightning then he is on par with RSM, unlike before when he was getting his ass kicked alongside base Naruto... Coincidence?




    After using lightning his movements completely changes unlike before.

    Sasuke did not caught up RSM physically he learned RCM to be fast as RSM and is only strong as Base Naruto.

    Because both of them got their ass kicked by Momo before activating there respective amps.
     
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    No? There's no basis for those punches having the same durability as Susano'o to begin with (Tsunade's and Sakura's fists can plough through things those same fists can't tank for instance) and there's no basis for the punches used on Susano'o and the ones used on Naruto having the same potency. In case you forgot, she was actively trying to keep Naruto alive so she could drain his chakra, so the punches used on Naruto didn't even have the potency needed to kill him, whereas Susano'o is something she'd have no qualms about annihilating and have no reason to pull her punches against, as it can be destroyed while the user remains unscathed.

    Then there's the fact that gentle fist naturally counters chakra based substances, something brute force can't replicate. In any case, we see Sasuke's Susano'o take a far stronger attack than Naruto's punch, so even by feats alone, his punches can't cut it. (Unless his punches are stronger than his own Bijuudama now.)
     
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