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Can You Rank These Part 1 Characters ?

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Shazam, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. Shazam Well-Known Member

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    Quite hard to rank these characters
    0. KN1 Naruto (with Bunta)
    1. CS2 Kimimaro (He would've beat Gaara and that was pretty evident)
    2. SRA Gaara (Still Above Naruto and Sasuke)
    3. CS2 Sasuke (He did defeat Naruto so he should be above him)
    4. KN1 Naruto (without Bunta)
    5. Kabuto Part 1 (One glare from Sasuke made him piss his pants and he seemed scared of his chakra)
    6. Rock Lee
    7. Neji
    8. Haku (Naruto with KN0(untrained) broke through his ice chamber with ease so I don't see him that high on the list)
    But that's just my opinion
     
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    CS2 Sasuke
    One Tails Kyuubi Naruto
    CS2 Kimimaro
    SRA Gaara
    Rock Lee/ Part 1 Kabuto
    SRA Neji/ Haku
     
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  4. Shazam Well-Known Member

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    Good list !

    Yea I figured it would be a little difficult because I was having trouble coming up with a fool proof list myself lol
     
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    Kimimaro
    SRA Gaara
    Part 1 Kabuto
    KN1 Naruto / CS2 Sasuke
    Rock Lee (Fifth Gate)
    SRA Neji
    Haku
     
  6. Shazam Well-Known Member

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    That's pretty good too. It seems to be one of 2 ways, either people will consider Kabuto/Kimi the strongest (based on a few reasons) or consider the main & co-main characters the higest after the VOTE showdown.
     
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    CS2 Kimimaro
    KN1 Naruto=CS2 SasukeS=RA Neji=5G Lee
    SRA Gaara
    Part 1 Kabuto=Haku
     
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    1.) Kabuto
    2.) Kimimaro
    3.) Gaara
    4.) Naruto/Sasuke (barely)
    5.) Sasuke/Naruto
    6.) Rock Lee/Neji
    7.) Neji/Rock Lee
    8.) Haku

    I'm sure only about 1-3 and 8.

    At the point where the match was actually decided Naruto didn't seem to be intent on hurting Sasuke as much as vice versa. They represent a similar threat level overall.

    The fifth gate was supposedly enough to beat Neji during the Chūnin Exam preliminaries, but Neji improved by the time they went to rescue Sasuke so that may or may not have remained the case. They also represent a similar threat level overall.
     
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  9. Shazam Well-Known Member

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    Its funny because the hype Haku was given by Zabuza a person could have thought Haku should be at least in the top 4 spots. But I'm in agreement with everyone thus far about Haku's placement as his feats totally overshadowed the hype he received during the Wave Arc
     
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    Kimimaro was only keeping up with an injured Lee's taijutsu thanks to his kkg. He started using bones to block Lee instead of actual moves or maneuvers.

    A healthy Lee would have challenged him more and a gated Lee would have likely forced him into CS2 (he was already using CS1)

    That, combined with Lee never beating Neji and kimimaro toying with KN0 Naruto is what makes me say most of them are at the same level. Lee's speed and power, Neji's skill, plus Naruto and Sasuke's chakra levels are all around the same elite genin level of hype.
     
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    I'm in agreement with most of what youve said but Gated Lee, CS2 Sasuke KN1 Naruto and Neji should all be considered above Genin altogether. At the very least they should all have eclipsed into that Chunin level of power (at least in my opinion)
     
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    Elite genin is, by default, chunin.

    Just like how elite jonin are kage level in everything except title.
     
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    Kabuto - Was stated to be an equal to Kakashi in pt 1 so he’s clearly the strongest here

    Kimimaro- albeit sick , he was a high jounin character capable of facing both Lee/Gaara at the same time

    Sasuke- although you could argue Naruto didn’t use summoning I think the gist was he was slightly stronger

    Naruto- weaker than Sasuke by about an inch

    Gaara- has always been a step behind Naruto/Sasuke

    Lee/Neji- they seem to be about equal

    Haku- lots of potential but the rookies surpassed him as the arcs went on
     
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  14. wooly Eullerex BTW, Izanagi is a ninjutsu; chidori is a nin-taijutsu

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    1 gaara
    2 kimimaro
    3 the rest
     
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    Didn't Gaara lose to Kimi.. so how ? lol
     
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    1) Kabuto with intention killer ( kakashi level)
    2) kid naruto 1 tail with intention killer
    3.) healh Kimimaro / sasuke kid CS2 with 3 tomeo
    4.) garaa kid
    5) sick kimimaro
    6) lee kid healh
    6.) Neji kid
    7.) Haku
     
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    Ill be ranking the characters using their overall stats as opposed to solely power.
    0.hypothetical Bunta summoning KN0 naruto is at top
    1. Kabuto/CS2 Kimimaro
    2.Gaara
    3.Naruto KN0/Sasuke CS2
    4.Rock Lee/SRA Neji/Haku

    Each number signifies the power spectrum that they hail from. Characters within the same bracket are comparable. Brackets also dont signify outright dominance, but imply higher skill and utility in combat.
     
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    Haku's hype is very strange because Zabuza later said Sasuke may be Haku's equal. Surely he didn't think Sasuke could beat Kakashi, but the way he was talking about Haku made it sound like he was talking about their strength at the time and not their potential. IIRC anyway. I haven't exactly gone over all of those statements recently.

    ...Huh?
     
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    I'm the one confused about how y'all try to have power level rankings, but then act like the best person from one class is trash to some average guy from the upper class.

    Rankings aren't magic. There's not a number on each character's body that magically changes to reflect their current skill level. There's not a review board in Konoha that will immediately promote a ninja once they detect a chakra increase while performing their nightly sweep of the village.
     
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    Wouldn't they still be in different classes, though?

    Sure, the strongest person from one class might be able to push somebody from the other class, but it seems to me like the level of difficulty involved would be a different matter than whether or not they were in different classes.
     
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    He lost to Kimi...after Kimi fought with Naruto and Lee...How do you figure ?
     
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    It's the fandom that assumes these classifications are discrete and 100% accurate.

    We saw in the chunin exams arc that these classifications aren't based on ability and power level because Shikamaru was the only one promoted and he'd lose to a good handful of his classmates in a fight. Then, in shippuden, the qualities that got Shikamaru promoted to chunin didn't get him promoted to jonin while Neji cleared both promotions.

    The manga gives these rankings as a combination of skill, power, and character. It's definitely not just combat ability.

    The fandom attempts to use these rankings as an easy argument to justify power differences.

    The manga gives plenty of wiggle room and ambiguity while fans attempt to argue against people that use that interpretation.

    There's no clear line between the best genin and a chunin.
     
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    because i figure he is a stronger shinobi w/ greater ninjutsu than kimimaro
     
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    You're getting people using level and people using rank mixed up.

    References to Genin, Chūnin, Jōnin, and Kage-level are only meant to compare certain characters to the anticipated threat levels of ninja ranked as such. That's all it is.

    There are no Kage weaker than strong Jōnin-levels, there are Kage-level Jōnin. There are no Jōnin weaker than Chūnin-levels, there are Chūnin that can fight at the Jōnin-level. Sasuke was canonically a Chūnin-level Genin. But a ninja's combat ability overlapping with that seen in another rank does not mean that the different levels themselves overlap.

    There is no rank that has "elite" before it. That's just a reference to power. Part of the range of power that we consider to be a certain level, and thus power that's still less than the lowest point of the next tier. Else they would simply be called whatever the next tier is, just like Sasuke was called "Chūnin-level" as opposed to "elite Genin level".
     
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    I'm not mixing it up. I'm complaining about other people mixing it up (or, otherwise, intentionally switching back and forth to dance in and out of an argument)


    In the comment you originally quoted, you misunderstood what I was referring to between rank and power.

    The power of elite genin would earn them chunin rank. Just like the power of elite jonin could earn them Kage rank.
     
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    @jnikools said they had each eclipsed into that Chūnin-level of power and you responded by saying that elite Genin is by default Chūnin.

    You don't think that'd just be called Chūnin-level as opposed to elite Genin-level?

    The word "elite" is there to indicate that the person is around the top of the level of power expected of that particular rank.
     
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    Rather, it is to signify that they are performing above the normal bounds of a certain rank, despite still holding that rank.

    Boruto is an elite genin because he is a genin that already performs at chunin level, but does not have the experience or rank to reflect that.
     
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    1. Part 1 Kabuto
    --Relative to p1 Kakashi. Could CQC with Tsunade who effortlessly blitz 1 shot Shizune. Also low diff'd Shizune while fighting Naruto. P2 Kakashi also had no trouble blitzing K02 Teen Naruto. Superior senses & strength to Prime Tsunade by her own admission. Has such skill with chakra scalpel that he could cut Naruto off from the 9 tails. Regenerative prowess on top of it. Went full retard for the sake of plot and forgot how to use his other 3 limbs after stabbing Naruto in the hand.

    2. Sasuke
    --Relative to Naruto in speed. Could nosell KO1 Naruto's attack and send him flying into a rock in response, completely disabling his arm. The fact that Chidori's piercing power is better at getting through defenses also helps him win more matchups. Has access to array of ranged fire jutsu & tricky strings, as well as the intelligence to use them to get the better of more powerful opponents.

    3. Naruto
    --Based on the info we have ( a sasuke that has equivalent speed to lee but with sharingan was outsped ), the only thing we can say for sure is that both Naruto & 5 Gates lee are X amount faster than weightless lee. Meaning we can treat them to be relative in speed. Naruto 1 range attack against Sasuke caused more damage to the ground than Rock Lee's attack against Gaara ( although Gaara diffused the impact a little with his sand gourd ). So Naruto is at least relative to 5 gates lee in attack potency. On top of that, has the ability to regenerate a whole lung and more.

    4. Kimimaro
    --Unfortunately Kimi never actually demonstrated speed that was undoubtably superior to healthy weightless lee. He never was able to blitz around Gaara's defense, and needed to go through it instead. He never outsped unhealthy weightless lee ( attack speed or running speed ), just reacted to & blocked & captured. Still, his extremely durable body makes him very difficult to kill, minus the caveat that he needs to manually grow a layer of bone under his skin in order to protect his organs, so he's vulnerable in cases where he fails to react to attacks due to speed difference or trickery.

    5. Gaara
    --Gaara now has attacks that can level small parts of forests similar to Temari. Still has amazing defense, offense & stamina, which gives him more wins than lee.

    6. Rock Lee
    --Can match up in terms of speed and power with Naruto & Sasuke, but lacks sasuke's versatility, Naruto's defense, and both of their Stamina. Throws all his eggs in 1 basket which leaves him vulnerable to last ditch defenses, subs and various ninja trickery.

    7. Neji
    8. Haku
    --All hype no feats.
     
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    I think Kimimaro is more powerful than Kabuto. Kabuto was stated to be only about as strong as Kakashi, and even then in a 1v1 Kakashi would still have likely beaten him. But Orochimaru desired Kimimaro’s body at one point, and never did the same with Kabuto. He was also comfortably stronger than both SRA Gaara and all of the Sound 4 together, who Kabuto would have had a harder time defeating.
     
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    Oro also desired forest of death Sasuke's body more than Kabuto's, but forest of death Sasuke isn't stronger than Kabuto. Oro desires bodies because of their special abilities. But special abilities aren't the only factor in overall strength. Theres skills like chakra control. Kimi's body is powerful, but he still has to react to and forsee attacks to build a layer of bone under his skin and defend. He's prone to being blitzed, caught off guard by superior opponents. Oro even w/o his jutsu in Kimi's body would be stronger than Kimi.

    Pretty sure Kimi being comfortably stronger than all sound 4 is anime filler.

    I don't believe that Kabuto would have a harder time defeating SRA Gaara. Kabuto could CQC with tsunade who would do things like casually blitz Shizune There are panels vs tsunade where he disappears from 1 panel to another then reappears behind Tsunade with great speed. Speed feats like that aren't drawn to be very much slower or faster than 5 gates lee was vs Gaara, despite what the anime would have to think. Just healthy weightless lee & sasuke who's slower than Kakashi & Kabuto could blitz around Gaara's sand.
     
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