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Canonity Assessment: The Games!

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Silnaem, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. Silnaem Nothing for Wisdom

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    In a manga filled with so many retcons and plot holes and with editors changing the story every second week, nothing related to it is completely canon.

    The question, then, shouldn't be: "Is material X canon or not?", but rather it should be "how much canonity does material X have?"

    In this thread we discuss the games, how much canoninity do they hold, percentage wise?

    1. As a whole?
    Consider the story of the games, the powers given to characters etc

    2. In parts
    How much are the powers given to characters considered canon?
    How much is the story . . .

    3. Personally
    Are there any parts which, inexplicably, you think should be considered canon or the opposite?
     
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  2. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Games are likely at the very bottom of what can be defined as canon and at the very top of what can be defined as filler...
     
  3. Ganta Not the Ganta from Narutobase. Stop Hollering PMs.

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  4. Silnaem Nothing for Wisdom

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    That's Madara, no?

    So I take it you accept games as being canon?
     
  5. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    Idk, the games don't really give characters feats. So, it can't really contradict anything.

    The games mostly just remix characters moves into something that can be used as a ninjutsu or combo attack.

    Like, is someone supposed to argue that Hinata beats Madara because that happened in the game?

    For things like 128 Palms, it's not like it's impossible in canon or anything. That's the same amount of fanfic people use when they're arguing in the battledome.

    You can't use video games to argue the mechanics of a certain jutsu or the damage of it, but if Hashirama made an axe out of wood in a game and made it change shape to pin someone to the ground, I don't see the problem with saying he'll do that in a matchup.

    I do remember a combo where Hinata takes Shino's bugs and places them on a person's body along the tenketsu. That's, not impossible, but also not really feasible.
     
  6. Platypus * Advisor

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    Does this look canon to you? :ahmm

     
  7. Fusion Well Known-Member

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    Percentage of canonicity? :dank
     
  8. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    I'd expect the King's katon to obliterate at least a whole continent so its clearly filler. :hmpf
     
  9. Hypothesisnull Na-na-ruto kun!

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    Games and canon shouldn't even be in the same sentence.
     
  10. Dreamchaser101 Well-Known Member

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    Well, at least Itachi seems to be capable of defeating some of the Tailed-Beasts, who are apparently mountain level.
     
  11. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    yes, that's the true canon :gar
     
  12. Platypus * Advisor

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    With doujutsu hax perhaps. Not in a power battle.
     
  13. Mar55 The Darkness Rises

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    What makes you say so?
     
  14. Dreamchaser101 Well-Known Member

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    The Ultimates used by "The Last" Naruto and Sasuke in UNS4 looked country/continent wide.
     
  15. Karyu Endan Smilies = Not serious

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    I've been playing Ultimate Ninja 3 recently and the most egregious example of power wank is Part 1 Shino throwing down a cluster of insects on the opponent so big it rivals Madara's meteors in terms of scale in his level 3 Ultimate Jutsu. It is way larger and more destructive than anything Shino has ever used in any other game. Aside from his Part 2 Ultimates in UN5. In those pretty much the whole sky is insects.



    Canon Shino has never done anything remotely this powerful. Even when he got that Kurama boost in the war arc.

    At any rate, the games are just as filler as anime filler. But I would in general rate them to be higher quality filler than what the anime usually churns out. Clash of Ninja Revolution 2's story mode easily beats every post-Sasuke retrieval filler arc in the Part 1 anime. And the latter half of Ultimate Ninja 2's story mode (read: filler set between the Tsunade arc and Sasuke Retrieval) is just as good. And it's even better in hindsight despite the glaring continuity error that makes integration into canon impossible.

    Spoiler: Ultimate Ninja 2
    And by that I mean Orochimaru reviving Hiruzen with Edo Tensei (along with Zabuza and Haku) while his soul is stuck in the Shinigami. Him using his arms is explained by having Kabuto use a mind-control jutsu to move his arms for him, and the sacrifices are presumably collected off-screen, but there is nothing to reconcile the Shinigami issue. In spite of that, the story gets points for Kabuto using Edo Tensei to revive fallen ninja to torment the heroes years before Kishimoto ran the idea into the ground. Oh, and Naruto also has to fight his inner darkness at one point. So it predicted the Waterfall of Truth too. :mitsukisip


    I honestly wish these stories were animated. I think the only game-original story that did was Ultimate Ninja 3's Ultimate Conquest mode's story. Which is a shame because I personally think it's a considerably weaker narrative than either Ultimate Ninja 2 or Clash of Ninja Revolution 2. Compared to the high stakes and emotional torque of those stories, Ultimate Conquest is just your bog-standard battle royale tournament arc with the closest things to "conflict" being that the winner gets to pass one law for Konoha (and while some of the other contestants' wishes are hilarious, Kiba and Shizune actually have altruistic and sympathetic motives and it just sucks that I'm dooming them to failure by playing as Naruto), and post-Tsunade Naruto acting antagonistic to Kakashi and wanting to defeat him in particular for basically no reason beyond Kakashi telling him and Sasuke that they're still small fry compared to him. Yes, small-scale conflicts can be done well too, but the whole story just feels weak and unrewarding by comparison.

    Not to say the whole game is bad or anything. Its original story content might be relatively weak, but Ultimate Ninja 3 is still the most refined and complete game focused specifically on Part 1 out there.

    Also, while I'm on the subject of Naruto games... Why do none of them have a playable Dosu, Zaku, or Kin? The Sound Trio has more panel time dedicated to battle than Tenten. And their part of the Forest of Death was kind of a big deal with Sakura's haircut and Sasuke's first use of the Curse Seal happening during their fight. It feels like a glaring oversight on everybody's part not to include the Sound Trio in a Naruto game focused on Part 1.
     
  16. Wrecked Baloney :(

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    Doesn't Shisui's Susanoo first appear in a game?

    Is it canon?
     
  17. Mar55 The Darkness Rises

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    Yes.
    No.
     
  18. Karyu Endan Smilies = Not serious

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    You'd be surprised at how many feats were given to the cast in Ultimate Ninja 3 alone. Most of them are just taking their known movesets to more extreme levels (like Shino's DC reaching Edo Madara levels in his level 3 ultimate as I pointed out earlier), but a few of them are contradicted outright by canon.

    Rock Lee opens up to 7 gates in his ultimates when in Part 1 he can only open up to 5 and in Part 2 only up to 6.

    Jiraiya adds Katon to his Rasengan when Part 2 makes it clear that Naruto is the first person to add an element to Rasengan.

    Itachi manipulates the shape of Amaterasu's flames when later on it's established that doing so is Kagutsuchi's power, and is so far unique to Sasuke's MS and Itachi can't do it.

    Hiruzen uses two Shadow Clones in "Sealing Jutsu: Triangle Seal" with no drawback when his battle with Orochimaru made a point that in his old age using Shadow Clones was extremely dangerous (and he only used them because he was planning on dying anyway and taking Hashirama and Tobirama with him with Shiki Fujin). Granted, Edo Hiruzen would have no problem with it. And coincidentally, the jutsu itself looks and acts more like a giant triangle-shaped Jinton than any sealing jutsu we've seen.

    Orochimaru has this ultimate where he summons an empty Edo Tensei coffin and several black ghostly hands come out of it and drag the target into the coffin. If this is supposed to be a depiction of Orochimaru collecting a sacrifice for Edo Tensei, we've seen it happen twice on-panel now and it doesn't work like that.

    Anko uses Twin Snake Sacrifice without dying (she only survived in canon because Orochimaru informed her she was using it on a Shadow Clone and she stopped herself from going through with it in response). The only side-effect to the ultimate, not counting the chakra cost, is triggering her Curse Mark if she uses it on Orochimaru. Yes, not making the move an instant double-KO is an acceptable break from canon for the sake of gameplay, but still. The contradiction exists.
     
  19. jonnty6 "I'm killing you cause I can"

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    Ultimate ninja games are basically narutoverse on roids. Like I can believe Hashirama's beast ass ultimate, the one he used in the 5th game with that big ass tree overlooking even mountains, but like KN1 Kid Naruto's ultimate seems exaggerated lol
     
  20. Karyu Endan Smilies = Not serious

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    Pretty much this. KN1 Naruto's and CS2 Sasuke's ultimates both have an AoE that dwarfs their canon clash at the end of Part 1. Hashirama just happened to get lucky that CC2's liberties with Part 1 ended up more or less matching his later portrayal rather than straight-up eclipsing it.

    On the subject of the Ultimate Ninja games, Naruto has an ultimate called "Mysterious Aid Arrives" where Minato comes in riding on Gamabunta to assist Naruto. After the reveal that Minato is Naruto's father, the ultimate has more significance since it's basically Minato saving his son. It adds a layer of heartwarming on top of the badass that it was originally going for.

    Which also means Naruto is the fourth character with an "awesome dad saves the day" ultimate alongside Hinata, Hanabi, and Ino. :hehee
     
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