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Chaton and Momousagi

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Phantom Thief, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. Phantom Thief Member

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    So how powerful are these guys? They were Admiral candidates so...FM level? :caticon
     
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  2. Heart Over Blade Enlightened Despot

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    FM level. Before this, Marines had Admiral tiers followed by mid tiers. They are the missing link that fills the large gap in between and the ones who should be fighting Yonkou commanders.
     
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    Admirals > Admiral candidates > Emperor FMs
     
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    they're the marines' answer to top ranked yonko commanders imo which is admittedly still somewhat vague
     
  5. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    Yonko FM level at minimum.
     
  6. Muah HADE BARA BOGE PYA

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    At best as strong as cracker. Probabaly solidly Doflamingo level. They should easily rape momonga.
     
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    I hope they actually fight sometime soon.

    Would like to see where they stand in comparison to the Yonko commanders.

    All Im confident in saying regarding their strength is they are < Yonko/Admirals
     
  8. savior2005 Well-Known Member

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    Around Yonko FM level. Idt they are stronger. It's kind of how Marco and the rest of the WB pirates were compared to a yonko crew. We all know any yonko would beat Marco.
     
  9. charles101 Well-Known Member

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    DF-less Admiral lvl in my opinion
     
  10. Luffee Hyped

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    Below Yonko FM level. For them to “not make the cut” i think they’d have to be atleast below that level.
     
  11. Phantom Thief Member

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    So you think any FM would be an Admiral if they were a Marine?
     
  12. Luffee Hyped

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    Lets say two admiral positions are open and the WG has the option to choose from Aokiji, Kizaru, Marco and Katakuri. I think Aokiji and Kizaru would get the nod ahead of the FM duo. But if the options were only Marco and Katakuri, then yes I think they would become admirals as well even if weaker. I dont think they’d be go into the “not making the cut” category.

    But I could be wrong. I’m still not confident in saying how big the gap is between Admirals and Yonko FMs. Maybe its bigger. Hopefully we get some extended fight between an Admiral and a Yonko FM at some point in the series.
     
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  13. Phantom Thief Member

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    Sounds reasonable to me. I mean, we know Fujitora and Green Bull got drafted from outside the Military so I don't see why that couldn't be the case.
     
  14. MO Well-Known Member

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    they are around the same level as YC not FM ho.
     
  15. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    At most FM ..at least for now ..their only saving grace is that theyre based on famous actors just like the admirals but for now i would give the benefit of the doubt to any other top commander till they show something.
     
  16. hehey a synonym for greatness

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    Definitely NOT Yonko FM level.

    Fuji said something about still getting used to the DF powers and seeing as how he and Green Bull was only recently drafted into the marines over the timeskip it's more or less guaranteed that Fuji got his DF from the WG directly. Green Bull is likely the same.

    Is it customary to give potential Admirals over powered devil fruits to push them into the top tier? Look at the fact that all the revealed Admirals except Sengoku (and even he has a mystical Zoan) all have busted Fruits powers, logias and gravity controlling fruits?, clearly the answer is yes.

    If Chaton and Momousagi were selected to be admirals they would gotten OP devil fruits to push them into the top tier..... since they did not get promoted and therefore didnt recieve OP devil fruits then there is no reason to believe they are anywhere near Fuji or Green Bull or any top tier guy. I wouldnt put much hope into these two overly impressing the OL with amazing strength anytime soon. Calm yourselves you fools.

    When they finally fight and dont impress I can already see the OL wankers blaming Oda for not meeting their expectations, but it's not his fault OL people can't read between the lines.

    They are definitely not at the level of Katakuri or anything like that.

    Hell the marines choosing new draftees over them to give Devil Fruits too and make Admirals makes them look bad IMO...
     
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  17. Admiral Kizaru One Piece Expert

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    Yonkou FM level at the very least if not a bit higher as they came close to making the cut. Oda realised he kind of fucked up with the original VA's (due to never planning on things to go on for so long) and this is his way to start to solve that.


    Prediction: They'll be at least another couple of elite VA's like these two with similar Admiral tier names & designs introduced later on when Oda starts moving towards end game material and he needs to finally flesh out the marines & WG to demonstrate why they're and have been the ultimate powerhouse on the seas for centuries.
     
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  18. hehey a synonym for greatness

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    ^^If just VA's are as strong as say first mates like Katakuri then the Yonko have no reason to exist.

    IF that was the case the WG could simply send a team of 2 Admirals and 4 VA's and some Fodder and completely decimate a Yonko crew.

    It would make absolutely no sense for someone like Big Mom to just hang out on her island and do whatever she wants with practically no government opposition.

    A world where mere VA's are as strong as a Yonko's best subordinate is not one where a Yonko can exist in their current form, the marines advantage would be too great.

    Why have Schichibukai when there are Vice Admirals in the marines that are stronger then all but one of them? You suggest up to 4 of them can exist that completely outclass all the Shichubukai save maybe Mihawk?

    For the world of One Piece to make sense as described in the story VA's cannot as strong as a Yonko first mate.

    You think the marines would take the Yonko seriously when not only do they have like 5 admiral level guys but in addition 4 VA's just a cut below them?? The Yonko would be a joke.
     
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    Why not WG wipe out Yonko is a very Trump thing to say.
     
  20. hehey a synonym for greatness

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    The Yonko are not countries, they are literally pirate criminals that the marines supposedly exist for the sole purpose of opposing.

    In a world where Vice Admirals are as strong as their first mates on top of 3 Admirals and a Fleet Admiral the Yonko should not be able to dominate the seas with impunity the way they do now.
     
  21. Onewhosbeenaround ZZZZZ

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    Have you forgotten at the end of the day it's the Gorosei who calls the shots. They care more about maintaining this power structure more than potentially going after the yonko who actually benefits them right now as the keep each other plus anyone else from reaching raftel and finding out the true history which what they fear above all else. Having 1 or 2 fm to admiral level fighters isn't going to change their minds about this.
     
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    They don't have the presence of any first mate we've seen. On the level of the second commanders or third commanders

    Regardless, they weren't chosen and didn't get the position. The two of them don't have hype as monsters like Fujitora and Ryokugyu. I don't recall it being indicated that they were very close to being chosen, either.
     
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    well. not much information about them but I don't think they are as strong as Yonko's FM. From Oven to Cracker level
     
  24. Gledania Zura janai.

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    What Basis for this ? We never saw momonga losing or facing anyone.
     
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    Actually kind of agreeing with Hehey. At first, I contemplated the idea they might be FM Level, but now I could see them being between Snack and Cracker.
     
  26. Muah HADE BARA BOGE PYA

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    Boa
     
  27. Gledania Zura janai.

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    You can replace anyone with momonga there. It will make the same result. Nobody can resist her aside luffy.
     
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  28. Muah HADE BARA BOGE PYA

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    Thats just not true.
     
  29. Gledania Zura janai.

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    How so? You think momousagi and chaton (especially this one) can resist hancock beauty? :urouge
     
  30. charles101 Well-Known Member

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    It's her DF ability. Haki can protect you from DF abilities. Momonga's Haki was nowhere near necessary lvl so he didn't even try tanking it. So I guess Boa's Haki is superior to Momonga's. Boa is really strong, but I don't think she's near FM lvl and they (Gion and Chaton) should be - they should be stronger than Hancook. But hey, Oda likes to be unpredictable.

    Momonga or/and Hancook may be much stronger now. Or just one of them. Or maybe her DF somehow overcomes Haki, even though even Law couldn't do it. We'll see.
     
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