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Clan Tier List

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Crow, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. Crow Konoha's Yellow Flash

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    Make your own clan tier list. This should be based on how you think the Clan's combat capabilities are as a whole, and how strong you think the clan is. For example here's mine.

    S+
    Otsustsuki Clan
    (All of their members are basically god tier level ninja)

    S
    Uchiha Clan
    (Most of their clan members had their dojutsu the Sharingan and they were known for their chakra prowess)
    Senju Clan
    (Their clan was said to be a master of most of the ninja arts, and most of their know ninja are excellent shinobi.)
    A
    Hyuuga Clan
    (They have a strong Dojutsu that can rival the basic sharingan and not the Mangekyou. Their Taijutsu is deadly and all of their members possess their Kekkei Genkai.)
    Uzumaki Clan
    (They were known and feared for their sealing techniques, chakra, and longevity so they were specifically chosen to be jinchuuriki. They were feared so much they were eventually destroyed.)
    B+
    Hozuki Clan
    (Their clan was known for the Hydrafication Technique and it was extremely useful in combat. Some of their members went on to be swordsmen of the mist, and one even became the Mizukage)
    Kaguya Clan
    (Their Kekkei Genkai of bone manipulation is extremely powerful and we've seen it on Kimimaru, who was past his prime. And we saw it on Kaguya herself at the highest level with All Killing Ash Bones. It's only below Hozuki Clan because so few people in the clan possess the Kekkei Genkai.
    Yuki Clan
    (They were known for their Ice Release and it's a formidable Kekkei Genkai. I only put it Below the Hozuki because so few people in the clan possessed the Kekkei Genkai.
    C
    Juugo's Clan
    (They are strong and they naturally absorb Nature energy but they are insane and transform uncontrollably.)
    Aburame Clan
    (They have a symbiotic sort of relationship with parasitic bugs. They let the bugs live in their skin and the bugs fight for them. They have some good talent in their clan that even got Danzo interested enough to get Torune.
    Sarutobi Clan
    (The Sarutobi clan is a clan that has a lot of influence in Konoha and has produced legendary Shinobi such as Konohamaru, The Third Hokage, and Asuma. Their clan are users of the Fire Release and we have seen their effort in the 4th ninja war.)

    That's all I'm writing for now. Yours don't have to be nearly as long as mine, but once I get writing it's hard for me to stop until my thoughts are complete. Can't wait to see y'all lists.


     
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  2. Heart Over Blade Enlightened Despot

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    This thread is rated S for Shitstorm potential.
     
  3. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    I mean, at least put the Uchiha after the Senju.......
     
  4. Crow Konoha's Yellow Flash

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    Why? The Uchiha clan has a Kekkei Genkai that the majority of their members have. The Senju only have one person with Wood Release. The Uchiha has birthed a shit ton of prodigies.
     
  5. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    The Senju's kkg is basically being better than the Uchiha.
     
  6. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    You pretty much did it already so I'll just finish

    D
    Aburame Clan

    F
    Haruno Clan
     
  7. Kyu ~ █▬█ █ ▀█▀ ~

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    Just to be clear, first-rate anomalies like Naruto wouldn't elevate his clan's power as a whole correct, op? We're simply going off of general capabilities of an average clan member?

    If so:

    S+
    Otsutsuki Clan

    A+
    Senju Clan/Uchiha Clan

    A
    Hyuga Clan
    Uzumaki Clan

    B
    Hozuki Clan
    Sarutobi Clan

    C
    Aburame Clan
    Akimichi Clan
    Kaguya Clan
    Yuki Clan
     
  8. Djomla Student

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    Didn't Senju beat the Uchiha?
     
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  9. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    No. Uchiha is the most powerful clan. Mangekyou Sharingan is practically unbelievable
     
  10. Djomla Student

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    Wood is still better though. And the Senju did beat Uchiha when they were in war. So it's canon pretty much.
     
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  11. Reviewing Witches Peekabo I bewitched you ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

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    the warring states had Madara nad his bro with MS yet they still lost to the Senju

    the warring states had the Uchiha clan at its most prime condition too on average (compare that to Itachi/Sasuke era were they got slaughtered by two men)

    Izanami and Izanagi, two forgotten techs were also widely used during that time, there were probably other MS users as well

    if we are talking prime Senju and Prime Uchiha then Senju>Uchiha

    if you really want to push favoritism then you can say they are equal

    the only time we can use Senju as a clan was pre Konoha formation since beyond that they literally vanished from existence. (Beyond Tsunade)
     
  12. Zensuki Sasuke > your fav

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    Uzumaki > Hyyuga

    Uzumaki were considered a universal threat unlike the Hyuuga :bigboss
     
  13. Reviewing Witches Peekabo I bewitched you ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

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    the Hyuga weren't a independent village

    the best they could do was try and steal the eye in a war like Ao

    or try and kidnap people

    food for thought the cloud tried to Kidnap both Naruto's Mom and Naruto's wife when they were kids

    both for their genes

    you can see here that once Konoha did a pact with the clan that countries had to use other means

    the Hyuga were just that... they had protection

    now also tell me who was at the front lines against the 10 tails in the war and was the major defense

    doesn't really matter though the two clans are basically one now :raiden
     
  14. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    The conflict between the Uchiha and Senju had been going for centuries if not millenia. During the generation of Madara's and Hashi's parents we saw they were fully equal(I think it was even stated how Butsuma and Tajima were equal at everything) with neither clan able to gain an advantage over the other.

    The balance shift only happened when Izuna died after one of his countless fights with Tobirama. And it can be easily seen that Tobirama and Izuna were equals/almost equals since despite fighting with killing intent so many times it took until adulthood till Izuna died.

    Once that happened Madara was left alone against both Senju bros. Though with EMS he was able to fight for a whole day and from Tobirama's scratches on his body it sounds logical he aided Hashi against Madara in that fight. It was also stated it was the first time Madara lost a fight.

    As for Prime Senju and Prime Uchiha the term seems rather broad. Prime Adult Sasuke with Rinnegan and Madara with both Rinnegan eyes(or as a Juubi Jin) can each rather easily solo the Senju clan at its best. If only MS versions allowed then yeah, the Senju are slightly stronger or at least Hashi and Tobirama are slightly stronger than Madara and Izuna. If we count EMS then I recall the DB4 stating how the difference in power between Hashi and Madara was literally paper thin and the smallest mistake decided between victory and defeat.
     
  15. Kras Lee Well-Known Member

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    lee clan would destroy the uchiha cuz eight gates > sharingan very easy
     
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  16. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Dunno if every Lee clan member can use 8 Gates.

    Plus it would lead to a double KO since all 8 Gate users would've died shortly afterwards.
     
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    I agree with the first part and about the power shift changing

    but the Sasuke and Madara bit is a bit unfair

    they are incarnates

    while Hashirama was a Senju, his other fellow incarnate was an Uzumaki

    and Prime Madara was EMS Madara.... Rinnegan Madara was by mixing other incarnate stuff together... in this case Hashirama who was a Senju

    Same with Sasuke getting the Rinnegan from Hagoromo... even if you argue that as an Indra thing then Indra is an Otsutsuki an NOT an Uchiha

    they can use some form as shown in the LAST

    or some tech at least



    lol Lee clan
     
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    why would eight gates user use the gate of death vs only sharingan when the sharingan cant keep up with the speed of the 7th gate ?
     
  19. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Then we can add Obito who is not an incarnate or Shisui who is not an incarnate either. Nor is Itachi.

    Obito with double MS especially would be quite stronger than the strongest non incarnate from the Senju clan like Tobirama...though if he used it well then IMO he might defeat even Hashi with it perhaps.

    All seem able to give the strongest not Asura incarnate Senju a run for his money or more.

    That aside since you mean that including power that one acquired but is not coming from the bloodline limit/special character trait of the clan does NOT count then what about Senju? We know they had likely huge chakra reserves and vitality due to what they inherited from Asura but jutsus like Hirashin, Sage Mode or Edo Tensei were not their legacy related but just something they learned either from some forgotten past knowledge, from one of the 3 secret places(Frogs/snakes/slugs) or by training. Does it count then? And if it does then does it count Kirin or bijuu control for Uchihas? In fact at what point it stops counting? When one steals power from another? Does it mean that if Sasuke kept the Cursed Seal it would not count either? Or would it count if he learned Dragon Sage Mode instead?

    That aside...weren't the Senju priviledged by Asura receiving power from Hagoromo while Indra did not? With that the descendants of the one who received power from Hago had an unfair boost due to such genetic/chakra gift IMO.


    Were these guys members of the Lee clan or just folks who happened to learn the Gates?

    Wasn't Guy able to open at least one of the Gates in fact? :hm
     
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  20. Kras Lee Well-Known Member

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    idk are you guys blind or what we saw what happened during the entire series gai was 10 times stronger than kakashi and itachi and equal to madara with the 10 tails and rinengan i dont want to know what would happen if madara had to fight gai with only the sharingan also rock lee was stronger than sasuke and i think rock lee is even more stronger than sasuke now in boruto also metal lee > sarada overall eight gates > sharingan
     
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    isn't the Gates accessible to anyone who trains for it? Uchihas, Hyuugas, Senjus, Ootsukis could learn it and stomp the so called Lee Clan
     
  22. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    No.. Uchiha can't lose. Hashirama is an old defeated dog that couldn't finish the job, Madara lost the battle but won the war
     
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    Don't underestimate Mangekyou Sharingan, it's so powerful almost unbeatable
     
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    It's so powerful it defeats itself.
     
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    You're fanboying way too mich right now. It's like you didn't even read the manga.

    Hashirama has beaten the strongest Uchiha (per canon) who also had the help of Kurama. You literally saw members of Uchiha clan abandoning Madara, admiting defeat and coming to join Senju. Go read the Warring States chapter again.

    I don't feel like looking for chapters now. Here is the Wiki summary.

    "Other Uchiha, however, found the prospect of peace tempting and started surrendering to the Senju in growing numbers. With his support running out, Madara made a last stand against Hashirama and the Senju and was summarily defeated. From his defeat and Hashirama's willingness to give his own life to stop the bloodshed, Madara was convinced to accept the peace proposal.

    I really don't know why just can't accept what happened in the manga? It's nice to be a fanboy and all but sometimes it is too much.

    Not only did Hashirama beat Madara, Tobirama also beat Izuna and the Uchihas surrendered to Senju. How the hell does that mean that Uchihas were more powerful than the Senju?

    Also, Ashura defeated Indra. Hashirama defeated Madara. Naruto defeated Sasuke.

    Ashura's side represents good in brother quarell. They are always superior and they always win.

    As of more modern history, and I'm refering to era of Obito and Itachi, then yes, Uchihas are superior but only cause Kishimoto completely neglected to represent Senju for some reason. Like they all died.

    Calling the God of Shinobi an old defeated dog who couldn't finish the job just beacuse he didn't want to kill the man he considered brother is just sad. Even for an Uchiha fanboy.
     
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  26. Crow Konoha's Yellow Flash

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    That's true. An Outlier like Naruto wouldn't be able to boost the Uzumaki that high. It's like an average.
     
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    Didn't Madara pull off a draw in most of his fights with Hashi though? It was stated that the fight he lost after he got EMS was his first. Plus as it states in the text you provided Madara lost to Hashi AND the Senju who by looking at it included Tobirama who had scratches all over his body afterwards. Sasuke also defeated Naruto during VotE 1 and at least once when they were younger. Asura defeating Indra was not stated. Only that he acquired power equal to his brother. He was named successor for his superior ideology rather than by winning a duel for leadership.

    Edo Madara and Edo Hashi also reached a draw with both immobilzing each other. The VotE 2 fight for Naruto and Sasuke also ended in a draw as far as their condition after said fight is concerned.

    So EITHER side ALWAYS beating the other seems a bit of an exaggeration IMO.

    Another matter is ideology though. In that regard yeah, the Will of Fire had shown to be the superior ideology which helps people thrive and be happy. Even teamwork itself is one of the cores of it as it requires cooperation which is one of the main requirements of Ashura's ideology. The Curse of Hatred only brings tragedy, butthurt, conflict and self destruction. So it is not good.

    It applies not only to Uchiha and Senju though but to other individuals or groups who follow it in one way or another. Like Jiraiya and Minato ending up ultimately favored by Hiruzen over Oro or Danzou losing the ride for Hokageship to Hiruzen. Both Oro and Danzou exhibited traits similar to the Uchiha curse of hatred despite not having any Uchiha blood.

    When the Senju were lead by Butsuma who seemed as much of a jerk as Tajima it seemed as it was going through as much drama as the Uchihas were. And there were no difference in power as both clans seemed to be equally damaged by fighting each other. Back then the Will of Fire seemed gone from the Senju who only regained faith in Asura's way of thinking when Hashi took over. :hm
     
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