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Croc vs. Cavendish

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by MYJC, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. DA hawk Active Member

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    Your comparison is wrong, Give it up. Direct slash >>> ranged one. Ranged slash: Daz tanks with no diff. direct slash: Daz gets one shotted. 1+1=2
    Downplaying again. no matter how u word it, it's better than all Cavendish feats.
    More Fanfic please
    Uh... Nope, crocodile > middle trio.
     
  2. Shrike Whirlwind

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    Given how inconsistent this manga is, who knows. Power inflation has lead to Cavendish logically being quite far ahead of Croc, but who the hell knows with Oda :kanyeshrug
     
  3. Dunno Well-Known Member

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    Power inflation is what leads to Cavendish being weaker than Crocodile. Inflation leads to depreciation of the value of whatever it is being inflated, in this case power. This means that a certain feat early on in the manga would be considered much more impressive than the same feat later on in the manga.
     
  4. Shrike Whirlwind

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    If the said inflation made sense, than yes. But it doesn't. Croc is as strong as the plot requires him to be, as far as I have seen. From what was shown, Cavendish (or at least Hakuba) should wipe the floor with him. As I said though, Oda is inconsistent, and could just have Croc blow Cavendish away with Sables if he wanted to. There is no clear answer here (well, that goes for most debates in the battledome but whatever).
     
  5. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    Crocodile Mid Dif

    Crocodile was a successful and experienced new world pirate when he was younger, only leaving after being beaten by WB. He lost to Luffy because of his arrogance, over-reliance on his fruit, and growing rusty.

    At MF Crocodile clashed with Mihawk, Doflamingo, tanked a Jozu hit (Jozu put an admiral on his ass), got the jump on Akainu, and almost got MVP for the war until Akainu stole it by finally wasting Ace’s dumb ass (they literally fought a war to save him and he threw it all away).

    You could say he got lucky once or twice, but he definitely was viewed as a threat by everyone at MF (Sengoku thought Croco D. Ile would actually help out the marine effort because he had a vendetta against WB).

    He was also a Shichibukai. The seven warlords are supposed to be one of the major powers and are meant to terrify pirates in the blues, the grand line, and the new world.

    Don’t let one bad showing ruin him for you, plenty of stronger characters have had moments where they got caught slipping (BB, Shanks, WB, Katakuri), it just so happened for Crocodile that the plot was applying the ass whooping.
     
  6. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Croc had a bounty of 81 million yea a real big shot :skully

    At MF Luffy also clashed with a lot of strong fighters. So did Jinbei doesnt mean a whole lot because at the end of the day Croc, jinbei, and Luffy did Zero damage to anyone worth a grain of salt in the war even with his sneak attacks.

    Nothing in the war implies Luffy wouldent beat the shit out of Croc for a second time. Pre skip Luffy is fodder to Cavendish.
     
  7. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    Bounty was frozen because he became Shichibukai, and it was still early in the manga. Doflamingo’s bounty doesn’t match his strength either.

    Luffy didn’t clash with powerful fighters, he got smacked around by pretty much all of them or got help. Crocodile looked like he belonged out there, Luffy was in over his head.

    Crocodile tanked a Jozu Brilliant Punk (much stronger than any of the attacks Luffy used to beat him in Alabasta) and actually managed to slow down Akainu and Mihawk. Luffy couldn’t do half the shit Crocodile did during the war.

    Let’s be honest, Oda needed a sacrificial lamb to increase Luffy’s clout, so he picked Crocodile, and he changed his mind. Explains why his power was so inconsistent and why Oda had him help Luffy.
     
  8. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    And when he became a Warlord he was lazing around in Paradise fucking Robin and starting his fodder organization.

    Croc did nothing Luffy and Jinbei couldent do.

    Croc attacked Doflamingo twice and did jack shit. Doflamingo could of cut off his head if he wanted actually but he spared him.
    Croc attacked mihawk and did jack shit
    Croc attacked jozu and did jack shit.
    Croc attacked Akainu and did jack shit.
    Croc tanked brillant punk, luffy tanked a Budda Punch from Sengoku, attacks from kizaru, and Mihawk.

    Nothing croc did could not be replicated by Usopp. Doesnt make him stronger then he was back in Alabasta and certainly not stronger then End of the timeskip Luffy.

    His power wasent inconsistent he did jack shit to anyone in the war. Hell at the start of the war Luffy casually blitzed Croc stopping him from attacking Whitebeard.
     
  9. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    Usopp couldn't tank a haki infused named attack from a bloodlusted yonkou commander, stop Ace's execution, stop a Mihawk slash (when a Mihawk handy-dandy butter knife attack crippled Zoro for half the Grand Line), stop a bloodlusted Akainu assault, or even survive the fall from the ship. Luffy never stopped a Mihawk slash, he had to avoid them.

    When Croc attacked Mihawk, he saved Luffy's life, Doflamingo ran interference before we could really see how the Croc Jozu fight was gonna go, he attacked Akainu and saved Luffy's life. Luffy only tanked the buddha punch because he's a rubberman, he negates blunt damage.

    His power wasn't inconsistent? He lost to pre-gear Luffy attacks, and couldn't react to a lot of Luffy's shit. During the war, he had drastically improved reaction time, intercepting a Mihawk swing, intercepting Ace's execution swing, and saved Luffy and Jinbe in the nick of time. Again, he tanked a yonkou commander's bloodlusted, haki-infused, named attack. I think that's a major upgrade in damage from Luffy's basic punches and kicks.

    End of pre-skip Luffy realized he was too weak to go into the new world, while Crocodile decided he'll dive right back in for shits and giggles. He saved Luffy repeatedly during the war, from top tiers. There's no way he was actually weaker than Luffy. The plot demanded he lose.
     
  10. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Why not? Luffy tanked attacks from Kizaru, Sengoku, Mihawk, Aokiji. Usopps has always had high endurance dont see why he cant take a hit from jozu if the plot demands it.

    Usopp can most certaintly snipe 2 fodder. Hes done it before and from a larger distance then Croc.

    Croc didnt stop anything. He attacked mihawk and mihawk blocked his attack nothing more.

    One of Usopps bombs can splatter akainus body just fine. It will do zero damage of course just like crocs attack did zero damage.

    Sengoku is fleet Admiral he knows how to use haki which he did use because Luffy coughed up blood from his punch.

    Nothing Luffy in the war did not do or could not replicate, he avoided multiple attacks from Mihawk. What attacks did Croc avoid again?

    None of that suggests G2 Luffy would not beat Croc in a fight. G2/G3 Luffy has better speed feats, tanking feats, and destructive feats then Croc.

    And Cavendish>>>>>>>Preskip Luffy. He stabs Croc in the head.
     
  11. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    Crocodile gets neg diffed.
     
  12. drew8324 Well-Known Member

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    The discord server I'm in is normally under the assumption that Croc is 1st Commander level minimum. How do y'all feel.
     
  13. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    1st commander level like as in Katakuri level?

    No way in hell.

    Iva was talking Mad Shit to his ass. Iva wouldent be talking shit to someone strong enough to be strongest fighter in a yonkou crew.
     
  14. Brook Calamity

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    Post-skip Croc is Luffy level at best, seat level at worst i say.
     
  15. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    Marineford Croc is Doffy level at best, which is still high

    He's at least above Moriah who Doffy said should not be a Warlord. Croc's only bad feats are his Alabasta feats and G2 Luffy stopping him from attacking Whitebeard. Luffy did a lot of crazy stuff in Marineford though.
     
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  16. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    To be fair, Iva also has a compromising secret on Crocodile that he claimed would keep “him” in check.

    But MF Crocodile Kata level? I agree, that’s not true
     
  17. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    I forgot about that. Doffy also wanted to work with Crocodile, probably on some broker shit, but shows he considered Croc worth something.

    Croc’s portrayal is fucked though, he talks shit to everybody and thinks he’s better than everyone
     
  18. X18999 Space Colony

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    Crocodile being weak isn't even all that inconsistent or odd from a story standpoint... he likely got recruited into the Shichibukai early during his Paradise journey because of his logia ability. He likely then went to the NW got his shit pushed in by WB and ran back to Paradise where he stayed until Luffy appeared.
     
  19. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    He had a successful career in the New World actually, (that's when he met Blackbeard and Ivankov) until WB beat him. His bounty was low because it was the start of the pirate age when he left (he watched the execution), and he got it frozen pretty quickly. He ONLY lost to WB in the New World the whole time he was there. The inconsistency in his strength comes from the fact that it was implied if Luffy went to the NW he would be utterly crushed. Crocodile meanwhile sailed it and had a successful career, even while prime yonkou and other monsters were sailing it. He only left after WB gave him the Sanji treatment.

    The other inconsistency is him stopping a Mihawk swing that was meant to kill Luffy. That same level of strength was used to cut an iceberg in half (he was swinging at Luffy then too). Crocodile is fast enough to intercept the swing AND stop the attack. He took a haki attack from Jozu's Brilliant Punk, and immediately was ready to fight back. Meanwhile in Alabasta he got beaten by the weakest version of Luffy who doubled him over in pain repeatedly with base moves. No character has had such a drastic change in strength in such a short time.
     
  20. MYJC Cunning Linguist

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    Marineford Croc is nowhere near Doffy level, that's stupid.

    Croc would get demolished by Enies Lobby Luffy. He has a powerful fruit but his stats are laughable by New World standards.
     
  21. Dunno Well-Known Member

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    Crocodile would get demolished by Enies Lobby Luffy the same way Shanks would.
     
  22. X18999 Space Colony

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    The first time Croc met Blackbeard was in Impel Down, Invankov rules an island in Paradise so he could have easily met him there, preskip-Luffy would get crushed in the NR not because he's too weak but because he's too reckless and wouldn't go five minutes before he pissed off someone powerful unlike most pirates who aren't stupid. There are countless pirate captains in the NW whom are far weaker than pre-skip luffy.

    Really? You're saying Mihawk was using Iceburg cut level attacks when we saw how tiny the slash was that hit daz... not to mention oit was croc who attacked Mihawk.
     
  23. drew8324 Well-Known Member

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    Talking about Alabasta Croc and his overall level after
     
  24. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    Every slash Mihawk uses is at that level, he’s that strong. He damn near killed Zoro with a knife. He isn’t going to casually swing and destroy an iceberg while aiming at Luffy one time and then hold back the next time.
    Also reread the page. After he knocked down Daz he swung at Luffy again and Crocodile jumped in.

    And no, Luffy was too weak, not too reckless. If him being too reckless was the problem, then how in the world did he come to the realization that he couldn’t go to the NW yet at that point? Seems like a completely rational decision, opposite of reckless. He saw the monsters at MF and knew he couldn’t defend anyone so he stayed to train.

    Crocodile had been to the NW before, he knows what’s up, and still went. Luffy said, “nah” and stayed to train.
     
  25. IllmaticKingC OG

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    Cavendish negs he should in no way be weaker than pre ts Luffy
     

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