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Current Straw Hats vs. old Garp

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome Archive' started by MYJC, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. Koenma Member

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    You assume the strawhats are standing still and allowing the 1 shots (Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Brooke, Robin) to get raped while the three ACTUAL fighters stand and watch. Luffy has haki now, although not on Garp's level you should realize that Garp cannot sneak up on the crew and 1 shot anyone while Luffy can sense someone's next move. Garp isn't very sneaky anyways...Of course Garp can take each and every single one of them out individually but as much as you guys want them to be, none of them are complete fodder and if they work as a team of 9 they can take on Garp.

    Where did you hear 10 million TONS, not sure if you know but that is equal to 20 billion pounds so I'm going to have to say your wrong, even manga wise it wouldn't be possible to have a pile of cannon balls each weighing 20 billion pounds. Regardless as individuals straw hats lose. As a team of 9 they can take the weakening Garp
     
  2. Imagine //\\

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    Your ABC logic doesn't work here. None of them have a chance the only person capable of hurting him even a little bit is Luffy and Garp knows that he would know to go after him while the rest of the SH's tickle him. He's not weakening he's shown no such thing nor has the said that he's weakening because of age. You have him confused with Rayleigh. And its called a calculation: . You might as well say the SH's can beat Akainu or Kizaru..well you probably think that just because theres 9 of them and theres 1 of them. Fodder is still fodder even if its with great numbers. Luffy has haki now? So what you think a marine thats fought the former pirate king along with the fleet admiral doesn't?
     
  3. Ryuksgelus Active Member

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    Roger flat out says he and Garp almost killed eachother. WB hypes Garp more than Shiki as does the series. Only reason it took Garp&Sengoku to handle Shiki is because he was a top tier who could fly and they're brawlers.

    Except Garp was going to deal with Rayleigh and deal with Akainu but Sengoku stopped him in the latter. According to you Garp was on his way to get killed and Sengoku was not saving Akainu a suprise ass whoopin. The Story flat out tells us that Garp is a top tier. Where you place him is your prerogative but any top tier still destroys the M.trio.

    Rayleigh flat out says because of his age he couldn't handle Kizaru and save the SH. Why do people dismiss a direct statement like this. It's ridiculous.
    Wow? Not even trying to be subtle with your strawman argument. No comparison was made to Luffy except to show that he is nowhere near a top tiers level. The PH example was meant to show that top tiers are Island level threats or fighters capable of dealing with opponents who are island levels threats. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that adding 2 more fighters of Luffy's power doesn't begin to bring you up to that ridiculous scale. Garp is not implied to be weaker than the Admirals at all. Even if we entertain the idea he is noticeably weaker the disparity is not on a level where he couldn't last 1 or more days when they can go for 10.


    NO they are not enough to pressure him. What is so hard to understand about that? He is faster and stronger than they are with endurance to handle top tiers for a time. Next you'll say Vista or Jozu are stronger than Garp. Those are the strongest guys the M.trio could pressure in the slightest. Someone like Ben Beckman has less status than Garp and would defeat the M.Trio too.

    Where are you getting your nonsense from? We know all the old timers are not as strong as their prime. There is no proof or reference to how much they loose as they continue to get slightly older. It doesn't matter if he is weaker than before. He was on a level that he'll have to degrade exponentially before the M.trio can begin to see themselves as a threat. Certainly cannot make the claim that current Garp is weaker than MF Garp.


    NO, no....just no. This is stupid. Once again even if in your delusional world Garp is the weakest top tier and would loose to three-eyes, is physically weaker than Jozu, slower than Marco, and incapable of handling the Admirals for any length of time he is still far above his Grandson's crew. There is absolutely no proof to anything you're saying. It goes against any little tidbit of data that we actually do have. So many interpretations have to be completely wrong for your view to be remotely possible that it's insane to believe it's actually probable.

    Any top tier>The SH Pirates. This is made clear in Akainu chasing away the BB pirates. A stronger group than the SH who would kill him but suffer heavy losses. The WB pirates taking him. And Sengoku taking on all the BB pirates before Garp came and assisted. Apparently you think Sengoku is stronger than Garp for that feat or you think the BB pirates were not stronger than the SH pre-skip. Garp was just back-up while Sengoku took the brunt of the punishment.

    You never answered me about whether you're trolling or just playing devil's advocate. Believing this shit makes you unbelievably stupid and I don't think that is the case.


    Luffy has only showed the ability to predict the actions of fighter he is focused on. He was caught off-guard multiple times in FI even sustaining injury against Hodi despite knowing what Hody should have been doing. Garp can blitz and punch anybody in the crew. WTF is Luffy supposed to do getting in his Grandpa's way. You think he can actually stop him like when he stopped Croc from attacking WB?

    Nope. The idea Garp even needs to dodge the weaker SH attacks is laughable. No matter what you say Garp should have endurance to handle attacks from other top tiers. Not just a few either since there is absolutely no proof Garp is a glass canon. Top tier attacks>>>combined assault from the lesser SH while the M.trio only begin to approach that DC.

    It was one giant ball. Garp effortlessly threw something heavier than the Iceberg Jozu exerted himself to throw. Dismiss the estimated weight all you want but simple physics tells us unless the ship-sized ironball was hollow it weighs more than Jozu's iceberg.
     
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  4. cry77 Dont rustle my Jimmies.

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    How did this reach 5 pages?
     
  5. jNdee~ MangSlayer

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    ^because of dumbasses who don't know a thing
     
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    You mean according to you,because Roger never said that.He just said that they had nearly killed each other numerous times,but we dont know when did this happen and if Roger had reached his prime then.On the other hand,it was stated that the only one to be equal to Roger was WB.Meaning that Wb and Roger were above anyone else.

    Again,Wb had the title of the strongest man.Meaning that Garp was below him and of course below Roger.Deal with it.


    Thats grasping at straws.Wb was stated to be the WSM,in an infobox written by Oda.We call this canon.Again,learn to deal with it.

    And how does the fact that Garp was a marine excludes him from being a candidate for the WSM title?If he was equal to Roger as well,nobody would just ignore him and start calling Wb the strongest right after Roger died.Its not like Garp the hero wasnt known to everyone for his legendary status as Roger's marine rival.The fact that everybody automatically assumed that Wb was the strongest means that it was made clear that he and Roger were the strongest.
     

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