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Current UI Omen => ToP UI?

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by MShadows, Mar 20, 2020.

  1. MShadows Moderator

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    I was re-reading the manga version of the ToP and I just noticed this one scene here


    At the peak of UI Goku's power Gohan and Piccolo lost sight of him. Him and Jiren were moving so fast they couldn't even see them.

    Now the same thing happens with current UI Omen Goku this chapter. He moves so quickly that they can neither see nor feel his presence.

    Spoiler:

    Piccolo: "He just flew on his own..."
    Gohan: "It's dad!"
    Piccolo: "I can't see him and I can't sense his ki either!"
    Jaco: "What? Don't tell me you can't see him..."
    Gohan: "Huh?"
    Jaco: "Goku's fighting while moving at super high speeds!"
    Piccolo: "Y-You can actually see him?"
    Jaco: "Well, when it comes to my vision, I'm confident in it! Ah, but of course, just because I can see him doesn't mean I can fight along!"
    Piccolo: "But why can't I sense his ki?"
    Gohan: "Perhaps he's so fast that you can't detect it?"
    Piccolo: "Just what kind of plateau has this guy reached?"







    Of course, Moro can both see and sense him without problem. And he doesn't look worried at all either, in fact he's quite excited.

    Taking these into account, after the massive gains Goku made with Merus it would seem that in his UI Omen form he's already at the very least comparable to his UI level from the ToP.

    Moro > Current UI Omen Goku => ToP UI Goku = Jiren ?

    :ramsaythunk
     
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    toyopedro with those fanfic gains :kobeha

    also, yardrat vegeta will be > ToP ui kakarot too

    stay mad, nerd haters :mjlol
     
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    A new tier of power is upon us :mjlol
     
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    Just his eyes :tupac
     
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    Jaco and Merus want you to think they can't take Kid Goku.:mjlol
     
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    Sound reasoning. But the slow trolls will have an issue with this
     
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    Omen Goku isn't even going all out yet

    At his best he should be > ToP UI goku.
     
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    All of this begs one question
    Just HOW FUCKING strong is vegeta gonna be?!
     
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    Notice how there is a distinction made? Like 2 stages.

    1. "Can't see."
    2. "Can't even sense his ki."

    The whole can't even sense his ki thingy isn't anything new, we can go by earliest time this was said, in saiyan saga to ginyu force.
    I just find it interesting that DBS manga made this distinction which alot of people don't get or miss.

    Either ways about UIS being above UI TOP maybe, maybe not. I'm just commenting on the ki sensing part.
     
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    They shouldn't be mad lol if anything they should be mad if Vegeta shows up still weaker than Goku
     
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    A new realm of power has been unleashed, a realm of power for only the three mighty saiyans,

    And yes, Broly will be just as strong as them when he comes back.
     
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    How much this ninja Merus charge for training? I need some buffs and feel like I wasted my money on Whis' classes
     
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    Not to mention that gohan and piccolo are a lot stronger than they were during the ToP.
     
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    lol and He’s yet to have his extreme diff rematch with beerus while using UI,

    U blind heathens need god to bless u with eyesight again.:kanyelul

    Did I do it right @Superstars ?Kappa
     
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    He’s made bigger gains with Meerus then he ever did Whis :tupac
     
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    To be fair Goku was really aiming to master or gain control of UI at will more closely with Merus than with Whis. I mean during Whis training he was trying to get to that level and he was far behind while with Merus he was already half way.

    Credit Whis for getting Goku to that point all Merus did was help Goku further. If Merus trained him in RoF it wouldn't be like it was with Whis since Merus is an Angel in training.
     
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    Current UI goku vs LSSJ broly
     
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    It's going to be more impressive than anything we have seen at this point
     
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    to be fair Whis cannot use his power to train Goku and Vegeta, otherwise he breaks his Father rules.

    and it is not easy to teach a technique that even a God does not master.

    considering the strength,fighting style,techniques of the Bills comes 100% from Whis he is a perfect master.

    :salt



     
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    These nerds/trolls in this section really headcanon'd DB's narrative wasn't about power escalation.
    They still thought has been's like Jiren would be relevant...
     
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    well to be honest we don’t see eye to eye very much, but when I see somebody making sense, then the past doesn’t matter, I’m a simple man like that.

    But also sometimes u gotta have fun too. Join your little Squirtle thug group for a free week trial, so far it has been fun fucking up dem headcanon charmander losers.:mjlol
     
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    i am legit thinking toyo is about to bust all of his vegeta fanboyism and explode it
    i am really getting a "transcendent" kind of thing from vegetal tho
     
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    Lol i wonder how they feel now like Jiren fans. Like Toriyama has said in the past the next foe is always the strongest.

    That's why Goku always gets stronger in each arc.
     
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    The fire rises...I'm gonna have a Squirttle evolved avatar, with even bigger shades..:gucci

    And They claim Toriyama is senile...He can actually remember his plot points.:tupac
     
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    current UI goku fodderizes beerus:kanyelul

    imagin already doing nothing while some1 gets to god level in a hour basicly right next to you and you do nothing.

    Imagin some1 surpassing you and bringing down your mortal level down and you still dont care after the ToP.

    im sorry but if frieza is still doing what ever the fuck he want and beerus not giving a fuck when every1 is gettin god level left and right , it will stay a shitty written story.
    beerus freaking out when zeno does something makes literaly no sense.
    I already gave up on toriyama tbh , he cant write for shit anymore.
     
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    Yup they just wanted to protect Jiren since they worship him lol.
     
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    Next chapter UI Omen will be going all out. Goku already said that it won't be that easy to beat Moro.

    And since people brought up the scaling, Broly is probably even stronger than Beerus (the wording used in Japanese suggests the likeliness of that is high) via authorial intent from Toriyama himself. Moro comes after Broly so he'll be even stronger.
     
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    Nice topic. But the thing about '' I can't see them'' should be taking with a grain of salt. WHY? Because krillin can follow somehow omen in ToP but MUI not. How can KRILLIN even follow Omen to begin with . He is namek level.

    More curious if Beerus could follow that last moment, they let us believe that only Whis saw it because he said '' this is bad'' just before we saw Goku runs out of MUI.

    We don't know how strong Omen in this arc is compared to Omen in Top. Maybe he has better control only so he can only tap into at will. I don't believe that omen is stronger then ani silver hair version of Goku. That should be rediculous. The reason he was in omen form is because he could not acces the silver form. Whis said that Goku was more and more going deeper in ultra instinct. That means silver hair > omen in any state.
     
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    They literally show Beerus silently watching it with Whis. He can see them.
     
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